User talk:Horsejump5!

August2024

Welcome to Wikipedia. I saw that you edited or created Draft:The Harbour School, and I noticed that your username, "Horsejump5!", may not comply with our username policy. Please note that you may not use a username that represents the name of a company, group, organization, product, service, or website. Examples of usernames that are not allowed include "XYZ Company", "MyWidgetsUSA.com", and "Foobar Museum of Art". However, you are permitted to use a username that contains such a name if it identifies you individually (not your role), such as "Sara Smith at XYZ Company", "Mark at WidgetsUSA", or "FoobarFan87", but not "SEO Manager at XYZ Company".

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I've requested a change of username! Thanks Ths 2024 (talk) 03:46, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: The Harbour School (August 7)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by DoubleGrazing was:

This draft's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. In summary, the draft needs multiple published sources that are:

in-depth (not just brief mentions about the subject or routine announcements)
reliable
secondary
strictly independent of the subject

Make sure you add references that meet all four of these criteria before resubmitting. Learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue. If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Not one of the sources cited counts towards notability.

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DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:02, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can you help provide some clarity as all the articles are just stating who won what award? Ths 2024 (talk) 06:27, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Ths 2024! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:02, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

August 2024

Hello Ths 2024. The nature of your edits gives the impression you have an undisclosed financial stake in promoting a topic, but you have not complied with Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. Paid advocacy is a category of conflict of interest (COI) editing that involves being employed (or being compensated in any way) by a person, group, company or organization to promote their interests. Paid advocacy on Wikipedia must be disclosed even if you have not specifically been asked to edit Wikipedia. Undisclosed paid advocacy is prohibited by our policies on neutral point of view and what Wikipedia is not, and is an especially serious type of COI; the Wikimedia Foundation regards it as a "black hat" practice akin to black-hat search-engine optimization.

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Regardless, if you are receiving or expect to receive compensation for your edits, broadly construed, you are required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:Ths 2024. The template {{Paid}} can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form: {{paid|user=Ths 2024|employer=InsertName|client=InsertName}}. If I am mistaken – you are not being directly or indirectly compensated for your edits – please state that in response to this message. Otherwise, please provide the required disclosure. In either case, do not edit further until you answer this message. DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:45, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I just added the paid template to my user profile Ths 2024 (talk) 07:08, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: The Harbour School (August 8)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by DoubleGrazing was:

This draft's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. In summary, the draft needs multiple published sources that are:

in-depth (not just brief mentions about the subject or routine announcements)
reliable
secondary
strictly independent of the subject

Make sure you add references that meet all four of these criteria before resubmitting. Learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue. If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

For notability per WP:ORG, we need to see independent and reliable secondary sources with significant coverage of the school itself.

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DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:50, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @DoubleGrazing,

Are these not significant coverage of the school itself? They are all independent and reliable secondary sources.

I'm trying to understand what other sources you need.

https://resources.finalsite.net/images/v1715588427/theharbourschooleduhk/lke52bd3eazl5lxfsj7i/GSG-20240315--Supplements---026----GSG10-----E1Z1.pdf

https://world-schools.com/how-to-create-the-happiest-and-most-productive-workplace-for-kids-in-the-world/

https://www.scmp.com/presented/news/hong-kong/education/topics/learning-joy-harbour-school/article/3198397/experiential-learning-interdisciplinary-approach-harbour-school-unlock-students-best

https://www.scmp.com/yp/discover/news/hong-kong/article/3226539/harbour-schools-seaweed-farms-hong-kong-making-waves-giving-students-chance-fight-climate-change

"Spearheading Science Through Ocean Literacy | World Schools" Horsejump5! (talk) 07:45, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also this reference as well:

https://earth.org/interview/educating-hong-kong-students-on-climate-change-through-seaweed-farming-an-interview-with-johnson-stanley-handrich-hernando-and-jadis-blurton/ Horsejump5! (talk) 07:54, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Taking each of these sources in turn:

The first SCMP article (via Finalsite) is about the collaboration with Ocean Park, not about the school per se. It also relies heavily on commentary by Blurton, so not independent.
World-schools.com is a primary source, and that looks like a promo piece.
The second SCMP one is sponsored by the school, aka. churnalism.
The next one is about seaweed and seaweed farming, again not about the school per se.
Another World-schools.com piece.
I hadn't seen the Earth.org article before, but it's based on an interview (says so in the title) so not independent, and again about the seaweed project.

To count towards notability, we need to see secondary sources with significant coverage about the school itself, and that coverage must be totally independent of the school, ie. not based on publicity materials, interviews, paid/sponsored content, advertorials, or routine business reporting (personnel appointments, opening of new locations or facilities, anniversaries, annual exam results, etc.). -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:18, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: The Harbour School (August 12)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Johannes Maximilian was:

This submission does not appear to be written in the formal tone expected of an encyclopedia article. Entries should be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources. Please rewrite your submission in a more encyclopedic format. Please make sure to avoid peacock terms that promote the subject.

The comment the reviewer left was:

This draft has multiple issues, and I'd say it is far from acceptable. Just to name a few (and this list may be incomplete):

• The lead section mentions twice that THS is an international school. • I can see external links in the body • The tone and style are ridiculous, for example: ○ "[THS] follows an American common core curriculum that has been adapted to be consistent with both American and British standards within the United States and internationally." How much emphasis do you want to put on good English teaching? YES! ○ "Currently, math, reading, and writing are taught as well as science, history, and arts (…)" – please, what is not taught? And when is currently? August 2024? Or Maybe May 2019, when this draft was first created? ○ "The Grove (…) features award winning[12][13][14][15] (…)" This is way too many footnotes. Please have a look at WP:REFBOMBING. ○ "The Garden campus is a modern learning space designed for high school students." ○ "The e.a.r.t.h. project is expected to be completed in 2028." Who knows that? ○ The entire "Sustainability" section is bollocks. • The photograph gallery is a copyright infringement compilation. I'm also wondering if anyone has asked the children's parents' permission to upload that photograph to Commons? (Note: commons:Special:Diff/908881481) • Too many bold claims are not attributed to any sources, for example: ○ "The e.a.r.t.h. project is expected to be completed in 2028." ○ "The Garden campus is a modern learning space designed for high school students." ○ "The high school follows an American based Carnegie credit system and students receive a U.S. high school diploma. The Advanced Placement program is also available for high school students." ○ "The average student-to-teacher ratio is 8:1." ○ "The school provides education for over 300 students representing more than 25 nationalities." • The GPS coordinates are broken

In general, this draft needs much more work: You must cite sources that indicate why the subject is notable, and the tone and style must become way less praising. Wikipedia is not a place to promote the subject. It doesn't matter which American-British International standards the curriculum has been adapted to, how sustainable the school is, where its students come from or how many awards its building has won. Please let us know what reliable, secondary sources that are intellectually independent of the subject have to say. Best, --Johannes (Talk) (Contribs) (Articles) 17:35, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Johannes (Talk) (Contribs) (Articles) 17:35, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Johannes Maximilian,

I have removed some of the "praising" phrases that you mentioned.

You may not be aware of the education system in Hong Kong but it is important to say that THS follows an American curriculum and what basic classes are taught as many other international schools follow other curriculums (British, Canadian, Singapore, French etc). Furthermore, there are a number of schools in HK that do not teach English or use English as there main language for education. This is an important differentiation.

"The e.a.r.t.h. project is expected to be completed in 2028." - This was referenced in several of the press releases by the Hong Kong government that were cited.

"The high school follows an American based Carnegie credit system and students receive a U.S. high school diploma. The Advanced Placement program is also available for high school students." ○ "The average student-to-teacher ratio is 8:1." ○ "The school provides education for over 300 students representing more than 25 nationalities." - These facts are all on the school website. Yet I was told not to cite primary sources aka the school's website.

The photo gallery is not a copyright infringement compilation as all photos shared are taken by myself for the organization. Furthermore, all parties shown have signed a release consent waiver before we share it with the public. (This is a common procedure in schools which you may not be aware of).

THS is not using this page to promote the school but rather share factually accurate information about the school. The curriculum matters for the community to understand what type of school THS is. Sustainability matters to share what the ethos and values are at the school. The awards the building and school have won further support how the school's education system works, curriculum, and teachings.

Many other international schools in Hong Kong have the exact same basic information on their Wikipedia pages as this page. Yet they don't seem to have been removed, flagged for editing, or are being held to the same standards as this page.

Hong Kong International School

Singapore International School

American International School Hong Kong

Korean International School of Hong Kong Horsejump5! (talk) 05:49, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: The Harbour School (October 11)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by SafariScribe was:

This draft's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. In summary, the draft needs multiple published sources that are:

in-depth (not just brief mentions about the subject or routine announcements)
reliable
secondary
strictly independent of the subject

Make sure you add references that meet all four of these criteria before resubmitting. Learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue. If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Doesn't meet WP:NSCHOOL. Sources that shows the existence of the school are fine, but they also do not show that it is notable.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

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Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 09:34, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]