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Introduction to contentious topics
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To edit in the Israeli-Palestinian topic area on Wikipedia accounts must be at least thirty days old and have at least 500 edits. This includes editing talk pages, with the sole exception being for simple and specific edit requests, which should be in the form of "change x to y for reason z". IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 09:04, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- The section of the talk page that I added was in compliance, and that should be quite clear with reference to the section I added, and with reference to the standards. It was clearly vindicated as valuable contribution. Consensus was reached. Isonomia01 (talk) 16:24, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
Hi Isonomia01! I noticed your contributions and wanted to welcome you to the Wikipedia community.
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Sean.hoyland (talk) 10:13, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- I *did not* make any edits to the article, which is what your link (primarily) discusses. I've already read those pages, and linked them in another discussion. You're the one making assertions about the rules. I've informed you that I've read the rules and there is no support in the rules for your assertions. For context, this is the third place this conversation is happening. I critiqued a section of a "contentious article". My criticism was vindicated, because the section I critiqued was discovered to be copyright violation. It was also non-neutral, and clearly intended to be opinion. I pointed out that it was non-neutral and poorly sourced on the talk page, and suggested that it shouldn't have been in the article. Isonomia01 (talk) 16:13, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- PIA applies not just to the article. Sean.hoyland isn't making "assertions" about the rules; they're laying them out for you. You critiqued a section, though the rules agreed upon by the Wikipedia community don't allow you to comment there. Still, people didn't just revert your comment but they took it seriously and looked at it, and found a copyvio. So that's great, though that's not what you signaled. As for these rules, Sean also pointed at the problem here, that sometimes positive comments can fall in forbidden territory, and that in such cases we need to decide if we follow up or not and possibly undo good edits or not. Again, no one undid your edit, and all this hostility serves no purpose. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 16:40, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- It was asserted that my contribution to the talk page was not in compliance with the Rules. Re: "the rules agreed upon by the Wikipedia community don't allow you to comment there." This is untrue. As I have said multiple times, I have read the rules, and I am asserting that the Rules do not support your assertion. The Rules *do*, in fact, allow me to comment on the talk page of the article, and I can give you a supportive quote if you'd like. "Proof can only be made in the affirmative". You have made an 'affirmative' assertion. I can't prove a negative. All I can do is say that I read the rules and they do not support your assertion. If you disagree, you can read the rules, and you can try to find support for your assertion, and you can provide a specific quote. However, we should all be open minded that we could be wrong. Re: "all this hostility serves no purpose." I agree. We should assume good faith. I'm just pointing out that people should be more careful when giving people ultimatums about removal (archiving should constitute a form of removal, in this context) content. Isonomia01 (talk) 16:46, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- The rules say
The Committee may apply the "extended confirmed restriction" to specified topic areas. When such a restriction is in effect in a topic area, only extended-confirmed editors may make edits related to the topic area, subject to the following provisions:The restriction applies to all edits and pages related to the topic area, broadly construed, with the following exceptions:Non-extended-confirmed editors may use the "Talk:" namespace only to make edit requests related to articles within the topic area, provided they are not disruptive.
ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:24, 28 November 2024 (UTC)- Right. That is no more or less than what I did. My contribution was clearly in compliance with the rules, was in good faith, and was a valuable contribution, as it uncovered a copyright violation, in addition to the non-neutral poorly sourced section that I pointed out. Thank you. Isonomia01 (talk) 17:35, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- The rules say
- It was asserted that my contribution to the talk page was not in compliance with the Rules. Re: "the rules agreed upon by the Wikipedia community don't allow you to comment there." This is untrue. As I have said multiple times, I have read the rules, and I am asserting that the Rules do not support your assertion. The Rules *do*, in fact, allow me to comment on the talk page of the article, and I can give you a supportive quote if you'd like. "Proof can only be made in the affirmative". You have made an 'affirmative' assertion. I can't prove a negative. All I can do is say that I read the rules and they do not support your assertion. If you disagree, you can read the rules, and you can try to find support for your assertion, and you can provide a specific quote. However, we should all be open minded that we could be wrong. Re: "all this hostility serves no purpose." I agree. We should assume good faith. I'm just pointing out that people should be more careful when giving people ultimatums about removal (archiving should constitute a form of removal, in this context) content. Isonomia01 (talk) 16:46, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- PIA applies not just to the article. Sean.hoyland isn't making "assertions" about the rules; they're laying them out for you. You critiqued a section, though the rules agreed upon by the Wikipedia community don't allow you to comment there. Still, people didn't just revert your comment but they took it seriously and looked at it, and found a copyvio. So that's great, though that's not what you signaled. As for these rules, Sean also pointed at the problem here, that sometimes positive comments can fall in forbidden territory, and that in such cases we need to decide if we follow up or not and possibly undo good edits or not. Again, no one undid your edit, and all this hostility serves no purpose. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 16:40, 28 November 2024 (UTC)