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Welcome![edit]

Hello, Lepardland, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions.

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Philosophically[edit]

I would think that if you continue to spam wikipedia pages with your website, I would think that you would be given little leeway, and quickly be blocked and your website blacklisted. And that is here at English Wikipedia, Spanish Wikipedia, or any of the others where you try to spam. — billinghurst sDrewth 13:37, 15 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Your domain has been globally blacklisted. You were warned. I would guess that if you continue spamming, your account will be next. — billinghurst sDrewth 22:08, 15 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Promotional links[edit]

Information icon Please do not add inappropriate external links to Wikipedia, as you did to Bengal cat. Wikipedia is not a collection of links, nor should it be used for advertising or promotion. Inappropriate links include, but are not limited to, links to personal websites, links to websites with which you are affiliated (whether as a link in article text, or a citation in an article), and links that attract visitors to a website or promote a product. See the external links guideline and spam guideline for further explanations. Because Wikipedia uses the nofollow attribute value, its external links are disregarded by most search engines. If you feel the link should be added to the page, please discuss it on the associated talk page rather than re-adding it. Thank you.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  03:30, 16 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

My domain is blacklisted and I dont know why[edit]

Moved from Talk:Bengal cat

Hello may domain has been blasklisted and the message tou sent me is because is a interest problems. I can se a lot of links in Wikipedia Bengal Cat of other Breeder For example on of them are : 1. Picture Chart of Bengal Colors & Patterns, 2. http://www.abengalcat.com, 3. http://www.bengalclassifieds.com/bengal-cat-education-history.htm , We are one on the only two real offical breeder in Spain with all the rights of the law and certificates. A lot of people are been scamed bout bengal cat. I i think that our lisk o web site is totally legal and can help to the people to be better informed. Sorry for my english. I understand you possition, but please let us to be present in wikipedia with this link. or Maybe you can put this other https://www.gatobengali. net/el-gato-bengali-o-gato-de-bengala/ which is amazing information about bengal cat only in the spanish version. Thanks

Lepardland (talk) 07:28, 16 July 2018 (UTC) Francisco Javier Garcia Garcia, 16-7-2018[reply]

We blacklist spammers and their websites for obvious reasons. If you're not a spammer, please do accept our apologies; you can request that your website(s) be removed from the blacklist at MediaWiki_talk:Spam-blacklist#Proposed_removals. If you notice someone who is a spammer posting spam links, you can request the opposite (i.e. their addition to our blacklist) at MediaWiki_talk:Spam-blacklist#Proposed_additions. Please note that as a general rule, delisting requests made by COI editors are summarily declined so it might be a good idea to enlist the help of someone without any such issues; realistically, it would probably have to be the person who blacklisted your website in the first place (MediaWiki_talk:Spam-blacklist/log might be of help in finding out who that was). Good luck. 78.28.45.127 (talk) 08:23, 16 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Lepardland: This should not be un-blacklisted, and you've been told why. See the threads (other than the original welcome message) at User talk:Lepardland. You keeps inserting spammy links to the same commercial breeder website. Please read WP:Spam, WP:External links, WP:Conflict of interest, and WP:Wikipedia is not a soapbox. Your desire to use Wikipedia as an advertising platform cannot and will not ever be fulfilled. Period. It's just not going to happen.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  12:07, 16 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

help me ok , @SMcCandlish Them other breeder websites are inside of wikipedia. for example abengalcat.com This website for example stole some of my pictires and they can be in references of wikipedia in bengala gato /spanish version)? how is possible? let me know please. you can see the link in my website about el gato bengali where i offert a lot of information about bengal cat. and most of other breeder take from. Is necesary to be all equal (50 % of link are from other american breeder). its the first time i try write in wikipedia and sorry if i have made somthing wrong . but let me unblacklisted my domain only for spanis version. and i will not made spam like you said. Lepardland (talk) 14:10, 16 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

abengalcat.com does not appear in this article. If there are spammy links to them, we need to remove those, too. This is a volunteer-edited website, so some commercial "come shop at my e-store" stuff gets through temporarily. We're happy to remove it when we find it. However, whether some website transgressed on your intellectual property doesn't have anything to do with Wikipedia; we're not a court. Spanish Wikipedia is a different site with its own editors and policies. They don't permit spammy links either. So I will try removing them. However, helping you squabble with other breeders is not why we are here. You seem to be making an argument that one of your competitors is getting "airtime" here and you want some too, or you want them to not get any. This doesn't have anything to do with the Bengal cat article at English Wikipedia, or what Wikipedia is for. If the other breeder(s) keep inserting spammy links, they will get blacklisted, too.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  15:11, 16 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I've removed abengalcat.com from the Spanish article.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  15:31, 16 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Billinghurst: Should we 'list that one, too? No one seems to be patrolling much for "buy your cats from me" stuff over at es.wikipedia, and that business is probably putting such spam links on other 'pedias. It was not used as a ref citation, but just a bare website link.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  15:34, 16 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

there re other 3 links of breeder or broken. you can vhek in my website that inv had a special informacion about bengal cat (coat, colors, genetic, bloodlines. I think it s confiable information and also helpfull for spanish people. other links. . http://www.bengalclassifieds.com/bengal-cat-education-history.htm . Picture Chart of Bengal Colors & Patterns . http://www.usatoday.com/news/offbeat/2007-06-27-bengalcats_N.htm. I think that i did not made spam it was give the posibility to give more information about bengal cat.

Breeder promotional material is not "information", from the perspective of the encyclopedia; it's promotional, non-neutral material. No breeder's personal/company website is a reliable source. You all lack independence from the subject and have a conflict of interest. The links you provided above do not indicate anything about why your site (or any other breeder site) shouldn't be blacklisted. The first (BengalClassifieds) isn't a particular breeder's site, it's a trade association site, and the article it provides, while not a reliable source, may be of some interest to readers and is not promotional. I've moved it to the Enlaces externos section at es:Bengala (gato). The second, USAToday.com, is a major newspaper, which is a reliable source, but not for very much (mostly just that Bengals have a reputation for behavioral difficulties). The "Picture Chart" link (to EncoreBengals.com), isn't cited as a source, but is an external link to informative pictures about the different coat patterns. While it, too, is a breeder site and we would be inclined to remove it as promotional, the actual link is to an archive.org copy of the site – the original site is gone, so it cannot actually serve a promotional purpose, and thus is not spam. Whether links are broken has nothing to do with anything.

All of this is ultimately coming down to "I want to inject my promotional website into Wikipedia articles in multiple languages", and it just is not going to happen. Just because some other people got away with it for a while (I'm listing ABengalCats for blacklisting, too) isn't going to make it happen. Just because the articles have other links, that are not to a breeder's website, is not going to make it happen. You are at the wrong place for what you want to do. Try DMOZ.org, Yahoo, and other Web index/directory sites. Wikipedia is not one. Try buying a Google ad.
 — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  22:33, 16 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]


Ok I undertand. 1. http://www.bengalclassifieds.com/bengal-cat-education-history.htm has the same intertest that i can have. give traffic to their website. You look very sure about to know whats is tinteresing for reeders and what not. dont worry i dont use more wikipedia. Only to tell you after speak with you thatif you are the responsable about the bengal cat article is a poor and inexact.On the other hand, from the personal point. You seem a person too proud, where it seems that you want to be the only protagonist. Surely you will be a person who really does not have anyone close to you, maybe some friends, but surely you are a solitary eononist, gloating over his vain world. Maybe the origin comes from a childhood of abuse, and today you have the need to prove something to yourself. You must not be so dictator. I'm sure you've done it more times, if you had power you'd be the same as hitler or stalin or mussolini. Only your opinion counts. Greetings I hope that at least, you can be a little happy. An check the section of "el bengali" in my website man. Its the same that the 3 url i gave you before. kises to my hitler boy.

The las point, if you said that bengal has eviroment problems you told all. you have nor ideo about bengals and you so brave to wrhite about. the superman. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lepardland (talk • contribs)

 Comment: @Lepardland: You link spammed here and Spanish Wikipedia. These links were removed, and I put a welcome message here that gave reasonable instruction. Then you added more links, nine hours later I gave you a fair warning of the consequences of continuing. You again link spammed here and Spanish Wikipedia, so I blacklisted the domain as they were not encyclopaedic links, pretty well will never by encyclopaedic links. If you choose to ignore warnings, and link spam our site, and end up on the blacklist for contravening the guidance, I don't really see that you have a legitimate reason for complaint.
To your insulting messages, you demean yourself and your business. I hope that those who pass through here see you for who you are. If I see that poor behaviour continue, I will block your account. — billinghurst sDrewth 08:23, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
As i told you before it was the first time i use wikipedia, and when i wrote the link to mi website and do again i thoug that i was doing bad so i try again. i has seen the warning yesterday when the url was blocked. I star to see my profile and i ve discaverted that you sent me some advices but yes it was yestarday. i only said that i maid this because other 4 websites where bengals cats are selled were linked in wikipedia. I tried but whr i refresh wikipedia mi link was not there. but yes the other. So i thought that i have to try again because maybe i made something wrong. After 2 days (yestarday) i ve seen taht you blocked the url two days ago. so i wanted to know how its possible that @SMcCandlish had blocked the url, he told me that because i was a spam. But it has not sense when other websites where cats are selled were there. For example BengalClassifieds links has not sense in spanish version bencause its a website that made the same i maid. it should be a clasificated bengals cats selled in spanish like milanuncios. es or vivo or other websites in spanish. or south america. but i see that it you think somethink its impossible that the pride let you see other thing. I thik that i did not made something bad conscientiously because the context is like as i just wrote.
To build on what billinghurst has said: Lepardland, I'm not going to argue with you indefinitely but I will try to help you understand and hopefully become a productive editor here; you certainly seem passionate about this subject, and presumably experienced. Wikipedia has a steep learning curve, and you have not really started climbing it yet. I'm not the Emperor of Wikipedia, either. I do have 12+ years of experience here under my belt, and I understand how this place works, what its rules are, what readers expect, what will get deleted, what will get people blocked or banned. Briefly, and as separate points:
  1. All websites want to drive traffic to themselves, including this one. That is not the issue. The issue is that yours exists for selling cats. So does that other one that got removed from the Spanish article). The BengalClassifieds.com site is not trying to sell cats (though somewhere on it is provides an index of people who are). The page in question, like yours, is a potentially interesting perspective on the breed history (though it is not something we'd use as a source, just an external link. An other editors might want to delete it as well, as of insufficient quality). Your page is similar (and prettier) but the primary purpose of it is to get people to buy your cats. If you wrote the same material and someone independent of your cattery published it, like MessyBeast.com, we'd probably include it in "External links" / "Enlaces externos". However, the fact that a lot of the images have English-language text in them but all the other material is in Spanish suggests you got them from someone else's website; if you don't have copyright permission to use them, we wouldn't link to you anyway, regardless where it was hosted.
  2. This has nothing to do with pride or control, only with the fact that Wikipedia has clear policies, which you were transgressing. I'm going to just ignore the silly snide remarks; you don't know me or anything about me, and this isn't about me (or about billinghurst, or anyone else enforcing our policies). No one's being a "dictator" here, you're just not following the rules. It's like showing up to a football match then running onto the field in the middle of the game to wave a giant "BUY CATS AT LEPARDLAND'S SHOP!" banner. Security will "escort" you off the football pitch. No one is at the football match to look at your ads, and no one is reading Wikipedia for them either. Anyway, I will warn you that if blow up on people here again, casting aspersions on their life, and comparing them to Hitler, you'll get blocked from editing. We have a strict WP:No personal attacks policy. You can disagree and argue without being nasty toward people.
  3. No one in particular is individually responsible for articles on any of these sites. They're all collaboratively edited by various people who care – and (this is important) who care to look for reliable sources, weed out incorrect information, remove non-neutral statements, delete spam, etc. We have over 5 million articles. Some of them are fantastic, and some of them need a lot of work. This is one that does need work, certainly. But complaining about the quality of it doesn't relate in any way to whether you can use it for advertising.
  4. I have no idea what "if you said that bengal has eviroment problems you told all" is supposed to mean. I didn't say anything about environmen[al] problems. Various sources have said, for decades, that Bengals are recommended for experienced and patient cat-owners because they sometimes exhibit behavioral traits that are a little on the wild side. But our own article doesn't make a big deal of this, just acknowledges this viewpoint. As a Bengal owner myself (Cymric too!), I think this idea is exaggerated – but that's just my opinion; I'm not going to go stick it in the article, because I am not a reliable source, I'm just some cat-owner. Personal experience is not a reliable source on wikipedia. This is a key part of what you don't seem to be absorbing. Even if you're the number-one cat breeder in Spain, you are not a reliable source. An RS is something published by a reputable publisher and subject to editorial review by a third party. Self-published anecdote does not qualify. (That's also why the BengalClassifieds.com page on coat patterns isn't reliable, though potentially interesting.) It's quite possible you really are an expert on Bengals. If so, you could probably greatly improve the articles on both English and Spanish Wikipedia, if you follow our sourcing rules. You'd be in a good position to know what was fact and what was myth about the breed and which sources were better than others. No one is denigrating you, just objecting to using WP for adverts and personal viewpoint.
  5. I didn't blacklist your site. I don't have the authority. The managers of the blocklist did that, presumably at billinghurst's request. I've also asked them to blacklist ABengalCat.com for the same reasons.
  6. I'm not actually convinced that the BengalClassifieds.com site's page is worth keeping at the Spanish article, it's just wasn't clearly promotional. You're right that as an English page, it's not of all that much help to Spanish readers (though your own is a mixture of both). You're free to just go delete the BengalClassifieds.com link from the Spanish page, as an inappropriate commercial link, if you think it is one. I removed ABengalCat.com for the same reason. No one's playing favorites here; it's just that BengalClassifieds.com is a different type of site than either ABengalCat.com or your GatoBengali.net; BengalClassifieds isn't directly selling cats, it just has ways to find people who are. Most sites about cats, anywhere, also have such materials. Even all the cat fancier magazines have hundreds of classified ads. But you can't buy a cat from the magazine's publishers.
I hope this is all clearer, and I have to say that this is way more time and effort than I usually put in for a case like this, but we need more cats-related editors.
 — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  12:59, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]


ok all its clear. thanks for your time and wors. i would like to be a editor vut its not be posiible to work for wikipedia when wikipedia has bloke one of my domains. i dont know if this has any solution. thanks

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