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Sally Hemings[edit]

Thanks for the nomination of the Sally Hemings article and the heads up.Parkwells (talk) 14:21, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks for all your work on this. I added the photo of her grandson, John Wayles Jefferson. Have not been able to work up a family tree; have to learn how to do that.Parkwells (talk) 14:05, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks again, Monkelese, for taking this on and improving the article to gain "Good Article" status, and for doing the DYK. I had worked on it so much at one time and other related Jefferson and Heming articles. And, congrats! - it scored more than 11,000 views on the day the DYK appeared, so I added it to the stats page for articles that get more than 5,000 views. Great to get that history out.Parkwells (talk) 17:50, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Sally Hemings[edit]

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Article nomination[edit]

Hi Monkelese - Jefferson-Hemings controversy -Agree with many of the comments but have not had time for overall changes. I noticed issues myself and meant to discuss them with you. One problem is the article is dated; my major part was constructed a few years ago, and related to other arguments going on, all related to this issue, and occurring in several other articles: Thomas Jefferson, Sally Hemings, and related Hemings family articles. There are elements I no longer recognize. The DNA section got muddled because some people apparently want more info about Jefferson's rare haplotype and more info about the Woodson case (I don't recall having it in two sections before, and think the technical details about Jefferson's haplotype can lead into too much of a digression). At one time, there was an entire article on the DNA testing and Jefferson's DNA. The headers "Current position" and "Current scholarship" were an effort at the time to try to show that the historic consensus had changed in the early 21st century (which some people still resist, but that does not mean there was not a consensus established, in which scholars "widely believe" - a term I've seen in other disputes) - thus, "Current position" of major historians. I also wanted to demonstrate, via "Current scholarship" (or some other header) that most scholars were moving beyond that: new scholarship had integrated this information and was going in different directions. But they need more than title changes. Let me see about making a first cut.Parkwells (talk) 16:26, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Yea I agreed on the problems highlighted in the comment after looking at the article again, Good luck with the changes. (Monkelese (talk) 17:12, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
To gain some insight into the state of discussions on this issue, you could look at the Talk page of Thomas Jefferson and slavery. Parkwells (talk) 20:07, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
Thank You, I will do so (Monkelese (talk) 00:24, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

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Ashton Kutcher[edit]

Just wanted to say kudos to the recent improvements/expansions you've made. Thank you for those! One thing I should note, though, is that IMDb (the source you used for "awards" section) is not reliable. Not a big deal, though- it should be easily replaceable. Snuggums (talk / edits) 01:48, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

You are welcome. (Monkelese (talk) 02:11, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

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Your idea[edit]

Hi. First of all thanks for your good contributions to Wikipedia. I wanted to know your idea about something. Don't you think these articles can be good articles: Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, Diana, Princess of Wales, Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall and Charles, Prince of Wales? User:DrKiernan thinks that they probably stand a good chance. But of course as he said good articles are determined by editors at WP:GAN though, it isn't restricted to admins. So just tell me what do you think about them? Keivan.fTalk 21:28, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Yea, I think they could be good articles, if there is a problem, the reviewer might give 7 days till it's fixed which i'm sure can be done, but before nominating these articles, you and even us editors should make sure they are really prepared, you can nominate them, during review I can help. (Monkelese (talk) 01:24, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
OK. I'll nominate them one by one up to the end of this week. But of course, I'll need your help as I'm very busy at school in real life. Keivan.fTalk 09:28, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
"Remove all titles from other aristocrats or from the article?" Well, when I look at the other articles, I see that most of the time titles are not mentioned in the infobpox. For example the name of Elizabeth II's mother is written "Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon" not "Lady Elizabeth Angela Marguerite Bowes-Lyon". Or the name of Diana's mother is written Frances Shand Kydd not "The Honourable Frances Ruth Roche". And also I'm not going to remove the titles from the ancestry charts. Keivan.fTalk 05:54, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
Using this two articles as an example doesnt mean anything, if they choose not to have their title in their infobox, that's their problem. the countess of Wessex children have their titles attached to them in their.moms info box, her mother's title has remained in the info box and will remain, your.argument is unnecessary, some have titles in their info box, some don't, Camillas article will have her moms title in the article and there is nothing wrong with it (Monkelese (talk) 20:33, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
Well, it seems you're interested in having her mother's prefix in the infobox, but I'm interested in removing it. There's no rule and force on Wikipedia. I have come here to solve this problem friendly. And why giving example means nothing? Louise Windsor is a "Lady" not an "Honourable". Her position is different. Even in her article's name, "Lady" is used. Barach Obama and U.S. senators are Honorable too, and many other diplomats and also many children of barons, etc. When I take a look at their articles I see this prefix is poorly used in their infoboxes or not used at all. Their articles' names are also without this prefix, like Rosalind Cubbit. It's similar to add the prefix of "Majesty" or "Royal/Imperial Highness" to the infoboxes of royal families' members. For example changing the name of Charles' mother in his infobox from Elizabeth II to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II which is not usual in Wikipedia. Keivan.fTalk 12:41, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
I'm really happy that this problem is now solved. Keivan.fTalk 18:12, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
What's your problem? Or actually what's your problem with me? At first I saw you as a person who I can share my opinions with and also discuss some matters. But now I see you're not such person. You think that because you have created an article, you're the owner of it and also you prevent from discussing the matter here, and you like the article's material be in the way you like. You just undid my edits on Camilla's article and at last we saw that you were wrong. Now, without a clear reason you undid my edit on Cubitt's article. There's a "Hon." before her name in the lead. So stop undoing my edits because I don't want to get in an edit war with you. However I doubt that you answer here. Keivan.fTalk 16:32, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
Are you afraid of talking? Do you think of what you're saying? Because I changed the lead section now I can't turn it back to the first situation? Maybe you're waiting for an Excusing? "Sorry, I made a mistake". Happy now? Keivan.fTalk 16:44, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
We can discuss this here, it will be better instead of reverting. No need to be angry about it, different editors have edited the article, I don't think it's mine, i watch over it to make sure it's isn't vandalised or rewritten incorrectly (watchlist). My problem i have with this is, at first you removed the hon from the lead and info box, i figured then it was the wrong way of writing it, i looked at other aristocratic articles on wiki, and saw how it was written and wrote it that way. I showed you a link of Unity Mitford article. then you rewrite it back by adding the hon because you didn't like what i wrote (so basically the previous version, here is your edit by the way which you removed the hon for the lead), which means you just removed it at first for no reason. leave it as it is now, as the Unity Mitford's article, that is how it is written. (Monkelese (talk) 16:58, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
By the way, i'm not afraid of anything...again why change it back after you removed it? (as you said the Hon should be before the name, yet you removed it at first), sounds to me like you didn't like how i wrote it like other aristocratic or peerage articles, overall you know nothing of this or not certain of your edits. As i said, this is wikipedia, you can't remove something because you don't like it, however, you can remove something because it is wrong or rewritten incorrectly. (Monkelese (talk) 17:06, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
One more thing, I did not create the article. Get your facts straight. (Monkelese (talk) 20:04, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
Well, I was so angry at first. Sorry. I should say that I just want any article to be in a perfect shape. I have been for 3 years on Wikipedia and I don't edit articles for my self-interests, so undoing your edit doesn't mean that I didn't like your edit or something like this. Actually giving only Unity Mitford as an example doesn't mean anything, because we should be sure that majority of articles which are about the Hons. have lead sections like this. Because of that I undid your edit (and also mines) to turn the article to its first form and then after a discussion we could decide which type of writing is good for the lead section. If most of the articles about the Hons. are written like this, so revert my edit to your last change. Also, I wanted to move Rosalind Cubitt to Rosalind Shand. She was a married woman and never divorced her husband. She also used her husband's surname. An example is her daughter Annabel Elliot who use her husband's surname except of her birth surname Shand. Please tell your opinions about this moving to me so we couldn't have any problem again. Keivan.fTalk 21:08, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
Also it doesn't matter who created the article. I mentioned that because it seemed to me that you're creator of the article as you were so interested in editing it. Keivan.fTalk 21:14, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
About moving the article, i never really thought of it, Laura's article was also moved from Laura lopes to Laura Parker Bowles by an editor recently, I don't think it matters really, but I guess since Rosalind took his last name and married him till death, it can be moved..its your choice. (Monkelese (talk) 22:06, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
Anthony Berry was also an "Honourable" but its lead section is not similar to Unity Mitford. As I said most of the times there's no special rule for the form of the first sentence. So the previous form of Rosalind's article can be correct too. I'll also talk with DrKiernan about Laura's article. Keivan.fTalk 22:11, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
Also I wanted to nominate those articles as Good Articles but I'm really busy at school so I didn't have time to nominate them. When I became free I'll nominate them and also ask you for helping me. Again sorry for what happened today. But please continue discussing about the form of the first sentence as it seems not all "Hons." have the same lead section. Keivan.fTalk 22:41, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
It's good all is well now, i will indeed help you when you nominate the articles and their picked up for review, one thing, if you could also add a signature to the Prince of Wales and Prince Philip's article, it will be really good. (Monkelese (talk) 22:47, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
I am searching to find good versions of Prince Philip, Prince Charles, Princess Anne, Prince Andrew, Prince Edward and the Countess of Wessex's signatures. I'll add them to their articles as soon as possible. Keivan.fTalk 08:22, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
Found Charles signature on this website, looks pretty good, http://www.britroyals.com/family.asp?id=charles

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Hello, and nice work![edit]

Hi. Thank you very much for creating the Jackie Kennedy template. I can't believe nobody did that before. I've taken the privilege (and honor) of adding to it, hope you don't mind. Love templates, and I've picked up a few things along the way, so added those to it. I've also distributed the template to some of the pages you may have missed, and enlarged the picture a little bit. It's a pleasure to meet you, nice work. Randy Kryn 20:04 26 January, 2015 (UTC)

You are welcome, I was shock myself to see it wasn't created and decided to do so, Kennedy was quite popular and deserves a template of her own. Good you expanded it and nice meeting you too. (Monkelese (talk) 23:21, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

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Please could you check up on the references on these pages 1) Potternewton (UK) 2) Oswald Birley 3) Lupton family 4) Martineau family 5) Headimngley (UK) 6) Unitarianism Thanks so much and can you do photos onto pages - do you know about copyright? Ed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.214.63.12 (talk) 08:10, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Make the articles different[edit]

I removed that sentence and I changed the name format of Diana's grandfather. Any other problems? I'll be happy to know. Keivan.fTalk 18:31, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Come on. Find another sentence that's similar to your writing style. Keivan.fTalk 18:33, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

I had shared my opinions with you about other articles long time ago. I'm not a fan of Diana nor an enemy of Camilla. Their personal arguments in the past isn't related to me at all. Here's Wikipedia. I didn't mean anything when I copied that sentence for Diana's article. I had done the same for Camilla long time ago. I myself created Camilla's template and I was thinking about expanding her article until you came and you added new information to it and rewrote it really nice. I can understand that why you became sad when I copied your sentence, but as I said in my talk page and also above, I'll be happy if you tell me which parts in their articles are similar and I can make them a little bit different with your help. Keivan.fTalk 18:59, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Oh, you finally answered. I agree. I'll change some parts of Diana's lead section as soon as possible. I have removed two sentences already. Any other similar parts except the lead section? I think just titles of some sections are similar. However their material is different. For example the section "areas of interest". None of their sentences are similar and also I don't find any other suitable title for that part. Keivan.fTalk 19:46, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
I changed the lead section. Now they don't look the same. Just the first sentence is completely similar (actually similar to all of the British princesses' articles) and that's because they have been the wives of one man. Keivan.fTalk 20:18, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
I also asked administrator DrKiernan's opinion about these two articles. He noticed the similar sub-headings and said that there are no other similarities in text and also there are bound to be some similarities in articles layout, since these ladies are both aristocrats who married the Prince of Wales and their fame derives from that. Keivan.fTalk 20:28, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
Actually I saw your nice work on Sally Hemings' article. Recently I was thinking about expanding and adding reliable sources to Martha Jefferson's article. Do you know any book for using as a source for her article? Also after I saw you creating Rosa 'Duchess of Cornwall', I also want to create Rosa 'Diana, Princess of Wales'. From where you got your sources for that flower? Keivan.fTalk 20:42, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
The article layouts I know will be the same, even the Duchess of Cambridges article is similar, it was the writing way. I hope it wont be repeating, again every article should have its way of writing. For Martha Jefferson, you can get the book the Hemings of Monticello, or any personal book about Jefferson has her in it. For Rosa Duchess of Cornwall, I saw it online about an a visit she did in 2005 and received it. One other editor also contributed to the article. (Monkelese (talk) 22:33, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
Yes, as you said the layouts are similar. I think your problem was with the lead sections which I changed some of its sentences in Diana's article. Also, thanks for introducing the book. I'll also search for more books. About the flower, I'll be happy to have your help. As I had said above, British royal family's articles are written in a good way and they can be turned to good articles in the future. I hope you help too, as you had said previously. Keivan.fTalk 05:49, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
And I recently realized that you have uploaded Charles' signature. I think Anne and Edward's signatures can be found too, but I can't find Sophie's. I'm searching for it. If you found a "good version" please upload it. Keivan.fTalk 06:43, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
Hi. Why did you remove category:mistresses of British royalty from Camilla's article? Let's forget her current situation as Charles' wife, in the past she was his mistress, wasn't she? Keivan.fTalk 19:19, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
Says who? she is his wife, which when you read the lead it says, it doesnt say Camilla is the mistress of Charles, Prince of Wales, it says she is his second WIFE, lets not make an argument over a category, if they weren't married then that category should be there, as I said she is his current wife and probably till the day they both die. (Monkelese (talk) 22:47, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
And there you go again Keivan, duplicating a category from Camillas to Dianas, British women activists, after we've had a discussion over this. Also are you going to remove Anglo-scotts from Dianas article, she wasn't born in Scotland too you know. (Monkelese (talk) 22:52, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
First of all we discussed about the material of those articles. I didn't add similar sentences to them, I just changed the categories. Many categories in many articles are similar with each other. I removed Anglo-Scott from Camilla's article and I'll remove it from other royal articles including Diana. Go and see what this term means. My reason for removing was clear. Also I added some new categories to Diana's article which I founded in some other articles. One of them was British women activists that is also used in Camilla's article and you have added it recently. Keivan.fTalk 10:16, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
Oh, I totally forgot the British mistresses category. I know that they're married now and it's possible for them to remain married. I'm not blind, I can see the article. I just wanted to mention that she was his mistress during a period of her life. Because of that I wanted that category to remain. Anyway, about other categories I must say that I didn't know that Category:Anglo-Scot was used in Diana's article too. Please try to be optimistic. About British women activists I think I can't understand its meaning exactly. Does it mean British women who are active in the area of women's law and health, or British female persons who are activists? I'm asking because if it has the second meaning it can be used in Elizabeth II's, Diana's, Sarah's, Sophie's and other female royal figures' articles. Keivan.fTalk 12:04, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
After checking the pages in British women activists category, I understood that the second meaning is correct. So I'll add it to Diana, Sarah and Sophie's articles. Of course I'll wait until I see your reply here. Keivan.fTalk 15:34, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
Oh, and another thing. I don't even know what should I call you. I also don't know what Monkelese means. Keivan.fTalk 15:40, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
The category British Women Activists should definitely be added to Dianas article, Sophie and the others, all women are British and focus on an issue...Its not a problem at all, i was just pointing it out. the category seems to be for British women who are activists for anything...and Monkelese was something I just made up, doesn't have a meaning. (Monkelese (talk) 01:31, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
Yes. You're right. Also if you find new categories, please add them to all British royal articles including Camilla, Sophie, Diana, etc. Keivan.fTalk 04:55, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

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Wedding of Charles, Prince of Wales, and Camilla Parker Bowles[edit]

Hi, thanks for adding the reference to a BBC News page in place of the 'citation needed' flag in the 'Questioning a royal civil wedding' section. On my reading of the BBC News article, it doesn't seem to speak to the text flagged as requiring citation. I think something which backs up and explains the significance of the fairly complex text a statute is pro tanto repealed by a subsequent statute to the extent of any inconsistency, whether or not the prior inconsistent statute is expressly repealed for that or any purpose to this section is required here.

Happy to discuss!

Clivemacd (talk) 12:29, 4 June 2015 (UTC)