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Suggestbot for SqWiki[edit]

Hello, Nettrom! (... or Morten, if you like. :P )

I'm an admin at the Albanian Wikipedia and I continuously lurk on the EnWiki looking for tech things "to steal" for our community. :P I saw your bot at action at one of the users' talk pages and was very surprised by it. Suggestions are the latest trends on every website these days but Wikimedia has always been a bit old-fashioned in that way. In fact, I've spent quite some time teaching newbies how to get around Wikipedia and the hardest thing for them to understand is always this "old fashion" Wikimedia has in its projects. The not so sophisticated GUI, dealing with code, the way discussions work with talkpages and signatures... Everything seems like a bit too much for the basic social media user where everything I've mentioned above is a bit different. I've gone so far as to make the ping template at our community resemble the Facebook way of mentioning someone {{@|Name}} to facilitate this whole process. So I'm always on the lookout for features like these and was very happy of finding your bot. Can we also get it to run at our community?

Also, if I might be allowed to make some suggestions...

We're a small community compared to EnWiki. Unfortunately, the community feeling is not that strong in SqWiki. People rarely spend time looking after the tech/help/category pages, our WikiProjects are rarely active in the true sense of the word and there is not much discussion going on on the users' talkpages except for the casual editwars there may arise. As an admin, I'm always trying to build on this aspect - Lately I created more than 200 templates for barnstars and we'll try to install the WikiLove extension soon. - so I thought maybe Suggestbot could help in this direction too? Can it be made possible to suggest other things besides articles? Like WikiProjects or categories someone may be interested? Or suggest fixing categories, templates, help and project pages? Maybe even have some extra-features for admins suggesting pages with lint errors to be fixed or system messages that need maintenance? Basically find work (fine-tuning its frequency so it won't look overwhelming) for everyone to do according to their preferences in all namespaces and more. This would give way for people to engage with their community, help the community by raising its tech quality and basically make the whole experience much more fun for everyone involved.

I also say these things because many times I've found myself wanting to pass some time at Wikipedia but not knowing what really to do. As I focus more on the tech side than the mainspace, it would be nice having something like Suggestbot finding work for me periodically. Also, many times I know what needs to be done but it looks too much adding a whole new project to the already filled projects' queue I'm working on. However, if work was distributed slowly, one task at a time, it would make the acceptance of it more easy, another reason where Suggestbot could help.

I'm sorry for the long post but I very much enjoyed the idea of a suggestion's robot and wanted to give some insight on how the situation is on smaller wikis and how the Suggestbot may help with them. Maybe I'm overly evaluating the bot's potential but I think finding work easily according to one's preferences should be one of the core features of MediaWiki these days (as finding articles to read is). - Klein Muçi (talk) 16:57, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

I'm sorry to bother but maybe you have forgotten to read my post? Just wanted to let you know that I'm still interested in an answer. :) - Klein Muçi (talk) 21:09, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
Hi Klein Muçi, thanks for getting in touch about this! No need to apologize for reminding me, a gentle reminder is perfectly appropriate. I appreciate your patience with me on this, and I'm sorry it's taken so long to get back to you!
First of all, thanks for the work that you're doing with helping make SqWiki successful! It sounds like you've been finding some good ways to make the user experience easier for newcomers, and making barnstar templates available means there are wiki-ways to thank people for their contributions. That's really important work that you're doing, and I want to acknowledge that!
When it comes to your question about making SuggestBot work on SqWiki, I think that's possible but the bot currently has a few requirements that may or may not be met. It's currently relying on categories of articles needing specific improvements (e.g. All pages needing cleanup here on enwiki) because otherwise it might recommend articles that don't really need improvements. Does SqWiki have those, and if it does, do those categories have a reasonable number of articles in them? (If not, it might be possible that I modify SuggestBot to bypass that requirement, but that could take a while to make happen) Apart from that requirement, I'm usually looking for community interest, meaning that I'd like to see some discussion on SqWiki where multiple people would like to see the bot come to their wiki.
I like your idea about making SuggestBot also suggest other things besides articles, I can see that being useful both to give some focus on the "behind the scenes" things that go on (e.g. templates, WikiProjects), and also to make it easier for those who are interested in those things find ways to contribute. At the moment, SuggestBot is solely about suggesting articles, so it might require some substantial rewriting to also suggest other things, but I like this idea!
Thanks again for getting in touch, and for the reminder. Let me know if there are maintenance categories on SqWiki, and if there's been some community discussion about SuggestBot already. If not, then I suggest the next step is to have that discussion, and let me know if there are questions about the bot and I'll try to stop by and answer those. And thanks again for your work with making SqWiki successful! Cheers, Nettrom (talk) 15:51, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for your reply and kind words! :) I am sure we do have all the accompanying categories needed for the citation module to work because I've created those myself. All the categories listed here. They work very good, have a high number of articles on them and have been a source of finding work to do for some of our users who have started correcting the problems with the citations. That would have been a great starting point for the bot in our project had it had the possibility to deal with some of the details I mentioned above but I do understand now that things like that could require much effort from your part and wouldn't be an easy thing. We do have other categories similar to that (and to what you mention) but unfortunately the number of articles on them is too low (if any). Templates do exist to put articles on them but they're either not programmed to categorize articles on which they are used or haven't been used much. I'll try to open a discussion on our village pump about the subject where I mention Suggestbot and the changes needed to happen in the community for it to work properly. I'll set it up as a voting process so if we do find some volunteers to help with the categories, there will no more voting processes needed for the bot to be approved when the time comes. I'll come back here soon with the link to the discussion. - Klein Muçi (talk) 18:01, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

WP:CEN is now open![edit]

To all interested parties: Now that it has a proper shortcut, the current events noticeboard has now officially opened for discussion!

WP:CEN came about as an idea I explored through a request for comment that closed last March. Recent research has re-opened the debate on Wikipedia's role in a changing faster-paced internet. Questions of WP:NOTNEWS and WP:Recentism are still floating around. That being said, there are still plenty of articles to write and hopefully this noticeboard can positively contribute to that critical process.

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NPP Queue Count[edit]

Is s53463__actrial_p.npp_queue_size something that's publicly viewable? I'm curious about the difficulty of adding a count of articles that are in the queue which are over 90 days old (i.e. past the index point) but can't seem to find the data to use myself. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 15:03, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

@Barkeep49: The table is publicly accessible in the sense that anyone with a Toolforge account should be able to query it. It might also be accessible from Quarry, but I'm unsure if Quarry can access the tools database server. When it comes to the source code behind it, that's this Python script, where you can also find the SQL query that calculates it (lines 50–57).
I wrote this SQL query that adds the number of indexable articles to the count (only counting non-redirects like the original query). It runs a bit slower than the original query, but that's because there isn't as far as I know a quick and easy way to get article creation time. Instead, we grab the timestamp of the first edit in the revision table, which takes a few seconds. I'm sure I can spend a half hour to modify the table and script to also log this information moving forward, if that's something you and/or the NPP folks find useful? Cheers, Nettrom (talk) 15:24, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
Nettrom, this is all super helpful. Just to make sure I understand so if I want to see the table I should get a Toolforge account? Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 15:27, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
Barkeep49 I just remembered that if you're looking for the data in that table there is also this tab-separated file, which is updated once a day (whereas the table itself is updated four times a day). That's a bit easier than getting a Toolforge account ;) If you want to run the SQL query I wrote on Quarry to get the count, you can log in there with your Wikimedia account and fork the query to run it. So there are some options here that don't require Toolforge access. Hope that's helpful! Cheers, Nettrom (talk) 15:39, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
Nettrom, thanks for all this. I think ultimately forking the Quarry query is going to get me to where I need to go but having the tab file is interesting as well. Big picture what I'm wondering about is adding a second line to Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Backlog chart showing the number of articles that are 90 days or older in the queue as those are the ones that become indexed and are higher priority as they are potentially introducing problematic data into the wider world. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 15:44, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

About Suggestbot in the Greek wikipedia.[edit]

Dear user, i think you remember me, when i asked you to take your bot in the Greek Wikipedia. The result from the discussion there was generally positive, i suggest you to temporally try the bot there to see if it works well. I await your reply, Eni vak (speak) 23:12, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

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Looking for data people[edit]

Hi Nettrom,

We have a data question at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Medicine-related articles/RFC on pharmaceutical drug prices. We'd like to know whether this is a reasonable/non-misleading use of this database (and if it's not, then how we could do it better). Most of the folks involved are solid editors, but we're not data geeks. If you're interested, please help us figure out the best way to improve Wikipedia's drug articles.

I think I'll also post a request at the m:Research:Newsletter (which is on Meta, so I fixed the link in your global user page). Thanks, WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:47, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Suggestbot — bringing the Wikipedia:Community portal/Opentask functionality to the WP:Task Center[edit]

Hi Nettrom! As the operator of Suggestbot, which is listed as updating the pages at Wikipedia:Community portal/Opentask (although seems to no longer be doing so), we would very much appreciate your thoughts at Wikipedia_talk:Task_Center#Add_example_articles?. Sdkb (talk) 15:15, 26 March 2020 (UTC)