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What does the code ' df=mdy-all ' mean? Is this a code that should be included whenever using an Archived version of a web page, rather than an original?

If the original version of a web page has changed, but a new version is present, can both an Archived version and the new current version be referenced? If doing so, should each of these be referenced separately, or can they be both included in the same reference note?

If using an Archived copy of a web page, in addition to the original, can/should the ' df=mdy-all ' code be used?

Thank you in advance for any insight that you might be able to provide.

Nondescriptvisitor (talk) 04:47, 29 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hello again. Hopefully Template:Citation#Date answers your question. Presumably the article uses mdy dates, so this tells the reflist software to always show the date in mdy format even if it is given in another format in the citation. I'm not sure, but you may have seen bot-archived citations that possibly automatically insert it. It's not necessary to use it if the date already displays properly per MOS:DATEUNIFY. —Paleo Neonate – 05:10, 29 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Quoting the relevant part of the documentation for convenience. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 05:17, 29 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

df: date format; sets rendered dates to the specified format; does not support date ranges or seasonal dates; overrides the automatic date formatting described above [in the template documentation page]. Accepts one value which may be one of these: [...]
dmy-all – set publication, access-, and archive-dates to day month year format;

mdy-all – as above for month day, year format [...]
Publication dates in references within an article should all have the same format. This may be a different format from that used for archive and access dates. See MOS:DATEUNIFY.
— Template:Citation#Date 05:17, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

On December 29, 2019 and January 17, 2020, I attempted to edit the Wikipedia page for the website CBC.ca . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CBC.ca

One particular update was reversed on me twice by the same individual. I tried to modify the link of the CBC.ca website to https://www.cbc.ca, as it appeared in the infobox of the CBC.ca Wikipedia page, from a previous www.cbc.ca (HTTP) link. The CBC.ca website can and does now support HTTPS. I understand that the CBC.ca website has supported HTTPS since mid-2018. In reversing the change, someone noted, "General formatting by script URLs redirect to the secure port by default."

This had links to Manual of Style (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style) and Ohconfucius (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ohconfucius/script )

In attempting to make the change, I had noted: "Set link to main CBC website to link via HTTPS in infobox. (see format of used by The Guardian and The Intercept)" The same individual who reversed my change to CBC.ca does not appear to have attempted to change the links for the websites for the main website links for either The Guardian or The Intercept, however, in the respective infoboxes of those publications' Wikipedia pages.

If 'redirect to the secure port by default' was the going mantra at Wikipedia, why don't all corporate and news-based website links that appear in Wikipedia infoboxes involve HTTP links, with the hope that they will just merely redirect?

The code used for website links, in Wikipedia pages, for The New York Times and The Washington Post is presented in different ways from The Guardian or The Intercept, but to the average reader, they will still attempt to connect the reader via HTTPS when clicking on the link from the respective infoboxes.

I came across a couple of resources through Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:URL // https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#External_links

Neither of the above resources would seem to suggest: "You should always use the default HTTP for any website URL in an infobox." If anything, I think that the opposite is encouraged.

Also of note: Whereas The Guardian and The Intercept already support HSTS, and as such, would be more likely to redirect to HTTPS when entered without the user having to enter a preceding 'https://', the CBC does not offer HSTS. To that end, adding the HTTPS at the beginning could be more beneficial in ascertaining a secure connection for the CBC.ca website than for theguardian.com or theintercept.com . (Granted, The New York Times and The Washington Post do not offer HSTS.)

As I'm like a total newb; can you advise what to do in relation to this? I'm not exactly keen on an edit war. Is there a Wikipedia resource and/or portion of a resource that might better clarify what to do in a situation like this? Nondescriptvisitor (talk) 07:54, 20 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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