User talk:Pchenomn

January 2008

Welcome to Wikipedia. Please do not remove speedy deletion tags from pages that you have created yourself, as you did with Omnovia. If you do not believe the page should be deleted, then please place {{hangon}} on the page (please do not remove any existing speedy deletion tag) and make your case on the page's talk page. Administrators will look at your reasoning before deciding what to do with the page. Thank you. Ros0709 (talk) 18:22, 19 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop removing speedy deletion notices from pages that you have created yourself, as you did with Omnovia. If you continue, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Ros0709 (talk) 18:24, 19 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest you also read WP:3RR before removing this tag again. Ros0709 (talk) 18:29, 19 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Omnovia

I happened to come by here from User talk:Tango, so I haven't seen the content of the article as it was originally. Thus, I will respond in more general terms. When an article is speedily deleted as "blatant advertising" or "spam", it's generally because of two issues - the first is that it is written using "peacock" or promotional language, and as such is not presented from a neutral point of view. The second issue is that it makes dubious claims of notability, without referencing any such claims to reliable, third-party sources. Sometimes, but not always, such articles are written by someone involved in the organisation, which presents a conflict of interest that, while not grounds for deletion in itself, does tend to make other editors wary of the article's content.

If you feel that the article can be written so that it complies with the issues mentioned above, then you may feel free to re-create it (although if you've done this a couple of times and the article has been protected from recreation, then you will have to make your case at deletion review). If you think you can write the article again, but would like to get an external opinion, then you can create it as a subpage of your user page (e.g. at User:Pchenomn/Omnovia), and then request someone to review it - you could try me, or ask at the Help desk - and they can then help you deal with any issues remaining before moving it into main article space. Hope that helps, Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 02:51, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The main reason I deleted the article was the use of overly positive wording. For example "The capital letter N in the name with lower case letter o, symbolizes innovation in the very name of the organization." is blatant marketing-speak. "The Secure Conference V.3 was released in 2007 and brings major improvements over the version 2 in addition to a much prettier interface." isn't great either (try attributing the comments to someone - "In a review by XYZ, it was said that..."). I'll undelete the article and move it to your user space (User:Pchenomn/Omnovia) and you can work on it there to make it more neutral. You should also add something to explain why the company is notable - independent media coverage is the main way, otherwise you might save it from being considered spam but still have it deleted as non-notable. Once you've done that, you can move the article back to the main namespace. --Tango (talk) 11:23, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]