User talk:Qwer1234p

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Edit war warning

Your recent editing history at Gator Guard Drill Team shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See BRD for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. Jytdog (talk) 10:35, 21 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Conflict of interest in Wikipedia

Hi Qwer1234p. I work on conflict of interest issues here in Wikipedia, along with regular editing. Your edits to date are all about the Gator Guard and are promotional. I'm giving you notice of our Conflict of Interest guideline and Terms of Use, and will have some comments and requests for you below.

Hello, Qwer1234p. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places, or things you have written about on Wikipedia, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a COI may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic, and it is important when editing Wikipedia articles that such connections be completely transparent. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. In particular, we ask that you please:

avoid editing or creating articles related to you and your family, friends, school, company, club, or organization, as well as any competing companies' projects or products;
instead, you are encouraged to propose changes on the Talk pages of affected article(s) (see the {{request edit}} template);
when discussing affected articles, disclose your COI (see WP:DISCLOSE);
avoid linking to the Wikipedia article or to the website of your organization in other articles (see WP:SPAM);
exercise great caution so that you do not violate Wikipedia's content policies.

In addition, you must disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation (see WP:PAID).

Please take a few moments to read and review Wikipedia's policies regarding conflicts of interest, especially those pertaining to neutral point of view, sourcing and autobiographies. Thank you.

Comments and requests

Wikipedia is a widely-used reference work and managing conflict of interest is essential for ensuring the integrity of Wikipedia and retaining the public's trust in it. As in academia, COI is managed here in two steps - disclosure and a form of peer review. Please note that there is no bar to being part of the Wikipedia community if you want to be involved in articles where you have a conflict of interest; there are just some things we ask you to do (and if you are paid, some things you need to do).

Disclosure is the most important, and first, step. While I am not asking you to disclose your identity (anonymity is strictly protecting by our WP:OUTING policy) would you please disclose if you have some connection with Gator Guard, directly or through a third party (e.g. a PR agency or the like)? You can answer how ever you wish (giving personally identifying information or not), but if there is a connection, please disclose it. After you respond (and you can just reply below), perhaps we can talk a bit about editing Wikipedia, to give you some more orientation to how this place works. Please reply here, just below, to keep the discussion in one place. Thanks! Jytdog (talk) 10:36, 21 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I go to school at UF, and one of the members of this team mentioned trouble concerning this team wiki page. TBH I just talked to them during tabling (which was next to my club), and I told them I'd try to fix it for them. It has this info referenced in gatorconnect, though not in many university links that aren't private. Apparently this page has become an ongoing problem for them? IDK if you can see the info without login in/ being able to login, but I don't think that should be held against them — Preceding unsigned comment added by Qwer1234p (talk • contribs) 10:47, 21 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for replying! Quick note on the logistics of discussing things on Talk pages, which are essential for everything that happens here. In Talk page discussions, we "thread" comments by indenting - when you reply to someone, you put a colon ":" in front of your comment, and the WP software converts that into an indent; if the other person has indented once, then you indent twice by putting two colons "::" which the WP software converts into two indents, and when that gets ridiculous you reset back to the margin (or "outdent") by putting this {{od}} in front of your comment. This also allows you to make it clear if you are also responding to something that someone else responded to if there are more than two people in the discussion; in that case you would indent the same amount as the person just above you in the thread. I hope that all makes sense. And at the end of the comment, please "sign" by typing exactly four (not 3 or 5) tildas "~~~~" which the WP software converts into a date stamp and links to your talk and user pages. That is how we know who said what. I know this is insanely archaic and unwieldy, but this is the software environment we have to work on. Sorry about that. Will reply on the substance in a second... Jytdog (talk) 10:49, 21 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again for replying and making it clear that you have a connection to the club and are here to advocate for them. There has been a problem in the past with members of the team coming to Wikipedia to try to turn the page into some kind of club website, as though they "own" it or as though Wikipedia is their webhost. Neither is true. As a Wikipedia article, the page needs to comply with all of Wikipedia's content policies. Right now it doesn't by a long way, and people from the club have been making it worse, not better. Jytdog (talk) 10:52, 21 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I won't really call it a connection. I mean, its not like I know them personally. I don't think they are trying to "make it a club page" either. The things they want to add aren't really promotional either. One is literally just a club organization structure and the other is just a mission statement. Both of these things are cited via gatorconnect, though again, if you can't login,I'm not sure how much info is available to you. Its not like they are trying to promote that you chose them for one of your events. The information being added is the minimum requirement for a UF club. I'm pretty sure they're just trying to follow the university's procedures. And even if it was't necessary for the university, I think those are pretty reasonable requests.From what I can tell from past edits, they tried to remove one piece of info from the page, and then you deleted their whole page(not trying to incite anything here, just judging from the edits history list, you were shown main continual removal of content). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Qwer1234p (talk • contribs) 13:33, 21 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

First, more on logistics. Two things.

Indenting: The "nowiki" markup is in my post so that the WP software doesn't convert the colons into indents. When you actually do the indenting, you don't use the "nowiki" markup. You can see this in edit mode above.

Please do sign your posts by typing four tildas at the end.

thanks! Jytdog (talk) 18:43, 21 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

OK. on the substance.

You made it clear above that you came here to edit on the team's behalf. In WP that is a conflict of interest.
Gatorconnect is not a reliable source - a reliable source has to be available to the public in some form, and the absolute requirement for a UF login makes gatorconnect fail that criterion. (this is different from say scientific articles that are behind a paywall - those articles can be obtained by requesting them through interlibrary loan or by purchasing them).
I have no idea what you mean by "The information being added is the minimum requirement for a UF club." This is Wikipedia and there are no special content policies or guidelines about UF clubs here.
I have been removing content that doesn't comply with Wikipedia policies and guidelines.

Like many editors with a conflict of interest, what you are writing shows you are here to promote the club, and not to learn how Wikipedia works and to edit like a Wikipedian. Please remember that this is Wikipedia, not a UF or Gator Guard website. Every time you save an edit, you have agreed to follow WIkipedia's policies and guidelines. Please take that seriously. Jytdog (talk) 18:47, 21 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]