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Your submission at Articles for creation: Joseph Marron (June 19)[edit]

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by RetroCraft314 was:

This submission's references do not adequately show the subject's notability. Wikipedia requires significant coverage (not just mere mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject—see the guidelines on the notability of people, the golden rule and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue. Please improve the submission's referencing (see Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners and Help:Introduction to referencing/1), so that the information is verifiable, and there is clear evidence of why the subject is notable and worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia. If additional reliable sources cannot be found for the subject, then it may not be suitable for Wikipedia at this time.

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Significant coverage means more than just passing mentions, especially for someone who is only notable for a single event.

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<RetroCraft314 /> 17:44, 19 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Joseph Marron (July 3)[edit]

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by StarryGrandma was:

Does not meet the requirements for a Wikipedia article. A person must be well known as shown by in-depth articles in reliable publications. Most of these references are the result of one press release, and only count as one - and not in-depth about the person. He is accidentally the person to get this patent number - it is not about him. His research at Raytheon is what counts, but for that we need articles about him in depth. It is very hard to find documentation for the people who make contributions in industry, and that is very frustrating.

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StarryGrandma (talk) 21:48, 3 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

[Note: I have moved your comment out of the review box and put it here]

[...] edit/response: the way editors view "notability" is partially responsible for why it is hard to find good online documentation for inventors & people who make contributions in industry. I tried to add references from a completely separate period / publication in NASA that includes him as one of three people responsible for fixing the hubble/james webb telescope. He's one of the preeminent optical engineers in the world in areas like laser-based systems, facial recognition, homing missiles, drones, etc. And I don't think it was a complete "accident" that he received the 10m patent... look at the next 100 before and after and most are indecipherable biotech patents. His patent is a LADAR system with massive real world applications / demonstration of US innovation and probably the reason it was semi selected.

Sources don't have to be online. But written or otherwise recorded sources need to satisfy the notability requirements at WP:BASIC. There needs to be more than just the single event and there needs to be biographical information about him. As an engineer, "inventing" and filing patents is just part of his job. The article needs to document that he "is one of the world's foremost experts in the field of optical systems engineering". The NASA slide presentation just includes his name; it doesn't go into any details about what he did. We can guess why his patent was selected, though it was nice that he had one in the pipeline at the time, but that's original research on our part, not a reliable source. Also systems can be notable without their creators being notable if nothing has been written about the creator.

Though in industry Morran does have journal publications. Professors have the same documentation problem, but since they publish and cite each others' works, WP:ACADEMIC was developed and may cover him. Also his patents generate cites in other patents. I have thought about trying to argue that patent citations should count like paper citations. I will put in something about his education and publications and we will see what it adds up to then. StarryGrandma (talk) 01:49, 4 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

P. S. Put four tilde's like this ~~~~ at the end of your comments to create your signature and time stamp. StarryGrandma (talk) 01:49, 4 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Joseph Marron has been accepted[edit]

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StarryGrandma (talk) 19:48, 5 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Happily he was elected a fellow of the Optical Society of America in 2004, and the society has a web page with the reason for each fellow. Nice documentation. StarryGrandma (talk) 19:52, 5 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! Relpoleco (talk) 18:40, 30 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]