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Diminished value

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Speedy deletion nomination of Appraisal bumping

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Proposed deletion of Appraisal bumping

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Speedy deletion nomination of Insurance appraisal clause

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A tag has been placed on Insurance appraisal clause, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article seems to be unambiguous advertising that only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the general criteria for speedy deletion, particularly item G11, as well as the guidelines on spam.

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January 2013

This is your only warning; if you insert a spam link to Wikipedia again, as you did at diminished value, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Persistent spammers may have their websites blacklisted, preventing anyone from linking to them from all Wikimedia sites as well as potentially being penalized by search engines. Your repeated insertion of diminishedvalueofgeorgia.com into multiple articles over the last few years is a concern.Cantaloupe2 (talk) 12:23, 5 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Cantaloupe2,

I am the original creator of the Diminished Value page, I am a licensed auto appraiser and an authority on this particular subject. I have testified in court under this subject matter, and provide training for attorneys requiring assistance handling these claims. I did not know how else to discuss the 17c formula without linking back to a page on my website that talks about it. I did not want to copy-paste from my site. If you research the topic, you will see that my website has the most comprehensive information there is on the topic. I do understand your zeal and appreciate your efforts in removing links that violate the rules, I was not aware that this linking was prohibited and apologize for any inconvenience. Would it be beneficial if I draft a document that explains this 17c formula and link back to it?

If you watch the CBC report reference in the page, you will see me in it. My website is also linked to from the CBC website.

Please let me know what you want me to do next to improve on this article. Thank you. Antoine Rached-— Preceding unsigned comment added by Rl10452 (talk • contribs)

It was extremely obvious that you have a conflict of interest and its no surprise that you represent the website. It remains clear that you use your account specifically to promote your website as shown by your edit history. I'm not convinced you "were not aware". WP:ARTSPAM explains. The deletion notice given to you in March 2012 explains this in the link attached. Cantaloupe2 (talk) 21:02, 5 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Cantaloupe, I respect and appreciate your feedback and reply. My point was, I am the original creator of this page, I did so because Diminished Value is a legal concept that is evolving and our research and our appraisal services are used in actual claims and in court cases. I understand that there is a fine line between advertising and providing information on a subject and I stand corrected if I crossed that line. My question to you remains, what parameters can I operate under to make this page better moving forward? Per your request, I will not be posting links back to pages on my diminishedvalueofgeorgia website, but If I have legal document pertinent to the topic at hand can I post them? Can those docs (.pdf) be hosted on my site? I understand that you gave me a warning and if I violate it you will black list the site, I accept that, but would posting pdf files that contain no advertising linkback acceptable? I thank you for your hard work in policing wikipedia and look forward to your reply. AR-— Preceding unsigned comment added by Rl10452 (talk • contribs)

The fact that you have a commercial interest in the topic you're discussing and that you're citing your own page presents a serious conflict of interest issue. Here are some reading materials: WP:COI explains that you're STRONGLY DISCOURAGED from making edits on subjects you can't do so impartially but suggests that you use request edit to have someone else (a random, impartial party) on Wikipedia make the edit for you. WP:V, WP:RS explains the need for verifiability of contents by reliably published secondary sources. Finally, WP:GNG gives a good idea of what article is worthy of inclusion. WP:SPIP explains it is not for self promotion. Finally, someone pointed out WP:CFORK. This is not a dictionary and it is inappropriate to make an article on every diminished value related catch phrases. If there are other sources that establish the notability of a specific case, a legal case can be used, but on its own, a legal case does not merit inclusion as it is something that you selected for inclusion.

I also couldn't locate any credible third party publications on Georgia 17c. There's an "expert opinion" on allexpert who refutes the vality and that appears to be a notch above most traffic generating sites. "17c formula" -17cformula.com -ican2000.com yields mostly junk sites, and if the filter is removed, it appears to be mostly your own SEO attempts. Cantaloupe2 (talk) 23:54, 5 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Cantaloupe, the 17c formula is based on paragraph 17 of the Mabry v. State Farm court case that established first party diminished value claims in the state of Georgia. This is not a made-up formula but what most insurance carriers use to pay their insureds under a claim. The 17c formula is inaccurate and wrong, and since I have testified in court as an expert witness in the mater, it makes my input in the topic very relevant. I am not trying to argue, I just want to point out that information relevant to diminished value should be included in that page that is why I linked to the 17c page on my site. Do you suggest that I write a new page covering 17c or the Mabry court case in detail? I will no longer link to my site. Thank you so much. Antoine Rached.-— Preceding unsigned comment added by Rl10452 (talk • contribs)

Before someone can use you as an expert witness, you need to have been published on a relevant matter in reliable sources. See WP:SPS. Self proclaimed experts are not considered as an expert without validation of their expertise. Even so, to cite yourself as "expert" is a COI. "what most insurance carriers use" also needs to be validated by a secondary source, i.e. books and news reports from reliable publishers/outlets with reputation for fact checking oversight. Cantaloupe2 (talk) 00:41, 6 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Cantaloupe, Thank you so much for your quick reply. I was deemed an expert witness in the matter by a Georgia court, in addition, the CBC report cited in the diminished value page has me in it as a main charter. In any event, I will compile the third party documents you are requesting and will run them by you before I edit or publish anything else on the subject. I sincerely appreciate your help and support in this matter. We will talk soon. Thank you. AR-— Preceding unsigned comment added by Rl10452 (talk • contribs)

The idea of expert in research and academic is different from court cases. When a licensed professional makes a testimony in common law court systems as such in the United States, he/she's referred to as Expert_witness. This does not mean that he can come to Wikipedia and start writing about topics in his field or about himself and write from his knowledge as "expert source". An example is well known, published physicist making a commentary. It would then be acceptable to say "Mr. xxxx" states that "physics comment". If this, WP:RS or WP:SPS does not answer your question to your satisfaction, you can ask about it on reliable source noticeboard. Can you find academic text (i.e. schools of law) or in depth media coverage discussing the said legal case as significant? A ton of cases are filed and opinions come from court every day. This doesn't mean that each and everyone of them is suitable for encyclopedia use. As i already said, if there's general consensus on significance of the case, it is worthy of mentionCantaloupe2 (talk) 01:58, 6 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Understood. Thank you. AR-— Preceding unsigned comment added by Rl10452 (talk • contribs)

Diminished value page

The page is cleaned up, but the contents are lacking just as it was to begin with. The idea of diminished value could use an expansion, for example addition of studies on effect of repair on value. As I pointed out before WP:RS gives you a good idea on what sources are good. Your websites are not one of them. Please do not use Wikipedia as a medium to advertise either through blatant external links or through references. Same goes for your user page, which was deleted by an administrator. You can use the talk page of the article and propose edits by {{request edit}} so neutral parties without conflict can make an edit and screen out any materials of advertising nature. It's also highly encouraged that you disclose your conflict of interest on the talk page as you make the request. Direct editing by you on this topic is highly discouraged. Cantaloupe2 (talk) 18:27, 6 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]