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Hellø! ... said: Rursus (mbork²) 09:30, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Hellø, slef! ... said: Rursus (mbor) 09:31, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
What about "Hellö"? ... said: Rursus (mbor) 09:35, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Christianity Newsletter - August 2009[edit]

Speedy deletion contested: User:Rursus/Citizendum[edit]

Hello Rursus, and thanks for your work patrolling new changes. I am just informing you that I contested the speedy deletion of User:Rursus/Citizendum - a page you tagged - because: The reason given is not a valid speedy deletion criterion. Please review the criteria for speedy deletion before tagging further pages. If you have any questions or problems, please let me know. —Mr. E. Sánchez (that's me!)What I Do / What I Say 08:03, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

OK, U1. ... said: Rursus (mbor) 08:07, 12 August 2009 (UTC)


Bork? ... said: Rursus (mbork³) 19:01, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Na, bork! (?) ... said: Rursus (mbork³) 19:02, 16 August 2009 (UTC)


About Mul.Apin, ....Under the category: Category:Sumerogram, only one article exists, ERIM (army Sumerogram). (By myself) I 'unconventionally' capitalized the word "Sumerogram", with the idea being that the word: (Army=ERIM), and is a "Sumerogram". (Note: other Cuneiform characters can be turned into "Sumerograms", but finding appropriate ones is not easy. ARMY, ERIM relates to the Archers (Egyptian pitati) Archer Force of the Amarna letters, but I assume other uses of "Army" in cuneiform texts, Mesopotamian, Hittite, etc., might be trickier TO DISCOVER.) The convention is that ERIM is a capital letter "Sumerogram". MUL means 'star' and APIN means 'plow'. (from the Babylonian star catalogues page). Obviously the MUL.APIN Article should explain in the first, or second paragraph what a 'Sumerogram' is. (and thus its name MUL.APIN and it should be in category: Category:Sumerogram)..(I'm surprised there are no other Sumerogram articles.(but Every article requires work.) (I personally am doing "Egyp. Hieroglyphs", painfully one at a time: as: "650 bottles of beer on the wall, take one down, 649 bottles of beer on the wall!"
(I think I was going to put MUL.APIN in the Sumerogram, category, but must have Forgot to do it; i was either working, or focussed on other things in Wikipedia) (from the HotSONORAN-Desert.. of ArizonaUSA)--....
(Note: this reply was not written sequentially; It took about 10 to 15 edits), various sections.... Mmcannis (talk) 20:51, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Capitalizing is an inherent quality of Wikipedia. Having Mul.Apin MixedCase by some hypothetical boring policy of Wikipedia might have been a valid reason to have that spelling. Otherwise I prefer MUL.APIN. I'll take a look and see if I can find some more sumerograms to put into that category. ... said: Rursus (mbork³) 06:44, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

help wanted, and thanks for all the laughs[edit]

Hi Rursus. I suppose I ought to be glad I'm such an ignoramous and therefore cannot understand half the stuff you're on about, or else I'd be dead by now with a severe atack of hilariitis acutis. I am bound to be back to your pages when I feel wary (inevitable near future) of all these policy this and policy that. Anyway, I'd be glad someone who understands alittle markup would give me some help with some basics. I'm sure there is a tutorial somewhere in WP, and thousands outside, but being human oriented (a genetic malfunction) I'd appreciate whatever guidance you may offer. See ya, Thamus (talk) 06:24, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Incoherence is an undiagnosed symptom of Wikipedia techdocs now, and sometimes the walls of Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines looks likes they're about to fall inwards upon us!! But don't despair, they're more like softly floating in the wind, most policies are common sense that have just been expanded and elaborated to absurd detail. My favourite policy is be bold, and the administrators seems to be pretty tolerant according to it. Regarding the editing: yes it is complicated, but who has ever seen a computer that isn't unnecessarily complicated? ... said: Rursus (mbork³) 06:39, 22 August 2009 (UTC)


Hey, i was just looking for a link to visit your page again. unfortunately i have to log off immediatelly send you a message tomorrow explaining, thanks for answering the call, see you tomorrow Thamus (talk) 04:50, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Same thing here. I think the response time is caused by different time zones: I'm on CET, Central European Time, and so my wikipedia activity peaks from 18 UT to 23 UT (European Summer Time). I finally saw my page and is going to update it in a short time, although I'll be a little busy a few days. ... said: Rursus (mbork³) 14:11, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Clever star gazer. I am based in Panama, that's minus 5 if I am not wrong. However, I keep very unorthodox hours and the real reason for being in a hurry last night (night for me) was a little critter's insistence that I read him a story about the jungle, along with some heavy frowning from the critter's mother towards the laptop, or was it towards me.

Anyway, the cry for help is because I realise primo you know your markup lingo, secundo you are a practical, hard working mind, and tertio you wish wikipedia well. Oh, and you DO have a sense of humour.
So, what do I want? Well, possibly too much, but you tell me.
 : 1.Please point me to the best free, online html manual you kow of, or/and whatever I need to learn in wiki programming lingo(s).
 : 2.Would you agree to help me along, as a sort of remote tutor, on a "as you can basis".
 : 3.Would you consider collaboration on a proposal aiming towards making WP much more intuitive for the newly arrived editor/translator. The reason for the collaboration is I don't want to just propose specific changes to layout, new gadgetry, etc. I would like to demonstrate feasability by supplying at least some of the code. For example:
 : : a)when you log into your editor/translator account, some features become visible that are not visible to the regular user. Like, somewhere at the top of the article page, or on it's talk page, you can at a glance know into which languages it's been translated, what is the status of the translation (done/in progress/revision wanted...). Then, you can click on the >translate< button, and your window splits in two, the article on the left half, the right half blank for you to type on, and a little corner somewhere at the top with the relevant dictionaries.
 : : b) at the bottom of main page, there are buttons linking to the different Wikimedia projects. How about having them at the top, always visible?
 : : c) How about making universal log in REALLY universal, so that when you log in to any of the projects in any language, you are logged in to them all (or at least where you have a valid account - I have no need to log in to the Finnish or Urdu WPs, but it is a pain in the rear to have to do it every time I jump from Spanish to Portuguese to English to French....... ARRRGh!!)

That kind of stuff. And, is there anywhere that you know of a discussion about the extent of wikipedia's responsibilities as the (new) first source of reference for students, and the way students actually use WP not as reference but just copypastecopypaste ok ready, what next geometry click click allright, geometry copypastecopypaste hey, dude seen that linkin park video? And what, if anything can, or should Wikipedia do about that? (possibly precious little, as the responsibilty lies more with teachers and student's themselves, but still...

Now, I realise you are a busy one and some of all this has allready been proposed, even if in different ways. Being raw new here is also part of the reason for needing help. For instance, I left a number of offers of cooperation on translations in various spots, with no answer so far. Now, after being giddy for a while, I begin to see where some things are, and how things work. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thamus (talkcontribs) 19:49, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

I'll do that. I have some time available for assistance and tutoring. It might be a good method to review the available documentation, but I have to prepare some overview document that you might consider reviewing, in a few cases. I'll now take a look at the available documentation. For now: the general convention is that an answer to a comment is to indent the answer by adding a colon at the beginning of the text, as you seem to know already:
::Or one more semicolon, if commenting the comment.
Or one more semicolon, if commenting the comment.
at the end of a comment it is custom to sign with ~~~~. If you already knew that, please tell me. Now I'm taking a look at the fundamental edit documentation, to see if the three ways of writing wikitext is clearly documented in an overview. ... said: Rursus (mbork³) 13:39, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
In editing mode there are three buttons and two links beside :
Save page Show preview Show changes Cancel | Editing help (opens in new window)
The Editing help alias the Wikipedia:Cheatsheet, here marked by wheat background color provides the most basic help. This cheatsheet doesn't explain the weird characters used, however. I'll see if there are available documentation for an overview of the editing. ... said: Rursus (mbork³) 13:54, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi again, Rursus. I was beginning to feel very disappointed - I was prepared for a negative answer, but no answer didn't seem normal somehow - and then I thought of comming back here. And indeed, you had answered! all I can say is, well - förträfflig, utmärkt!!
Yes, I did know about the indentation and the 4 tilde signature conventions, but I wish I knew how to personalise my signature. There's a neat tutorial on the pt:WP including even a simple example of code you can copy and paste - only of course it doesn't work when you try it out. But I have no intention of bothering you with such frivolities. I have lots of new specific questions, but I'll check out the "cheatsheet" first. I can't believe I hadn't noticed it. And I'll use the sandbox too. Now, I wonder if it would be ok if I asked you to send me a blank e-mail to mschacht67(a) with Idea on the subject line. I would be sending you back a brief description of an idea that I believe you could be interested in, given your interest in maps and the web. (I was at your proposal and glanced at OSM, but this is a whole new thing that needs private discussion first) Thamus (talk) 19:57, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
'Q: personalise signature, A: You press on the link "My preferences", and you get immediately to the User profile. There are four setups to personalize in the user profile, the third is Signature. There is a click box there Sign my name exactly as shown. For a neophyte user, there is the option to just enter a signature, and a link to one's user page is automatically created, but when one have learnt a little markup, and intend to use the markup in the signature, one might click off that box, so that one's personalized markup is used instead. My own is written like this:
      ... said: [[User:Rursus|Rursus]] ([[User talk:Rursus|
      '''<span style="color: #CC0044; background: #CCFF88">
which is a complicated markup near the limit for what the signature may contain. Note: don't forget to press the button Save! ( answer next, just a minute...) ... said: Rursus (mbork³) 20:13, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
Mail sent to mschacht67(a)! CU! ... said: Rursus (mbork³) 20:27, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
Answer sent from Only a raw concept. Hope u like it! -- Thamus joyfulnoise 06:29, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Sufi Saints of South Asia[edit]

Hello Rursus. I notice that you are interested in Sufism. I have put forth a request on the Reward Board for assistance in bringing the Sufi Saints of South Asia article to at least B-class. All meaningful contributors will get barnstars. The article is in dire need of being developed. It is an important article in relation to the Islam in South Asia. Please help in developing the article. Regards--Shahab (talk) 06:48, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

In this I'm just interested and otherwise completely ignorant, sorry to say. ... said: Rursus (mbork³) 06:51, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Elements that didn't exist[edit]

Hi Rursus, i found your list! The list is not 100% complete. I have a similar list and I already added the articles for Bohemium and Helvetium. Might be godd if you have a look.--Stone (talk) 17:13, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

A very nice thing indeed, since I forgot working on mine. I can take a look. ... said: Rursus (mbork³) 17:15, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Good suggestion! I already added a few OO and OC! --Stone (talk) 18:55, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Panchromium and Ilmenium are now available!--Stone (talk) 14:06, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Sequanium, Wasium, Gnomium] are the new ones, but I like gnomium best! It is only there because in theory it was a solution of a problem in the PSE.--Stone (talk) 21:33, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

List of legendary creatures subpages[edit]

Greetings Rursus! I've seen your contributions in splitting List of legendary creatures - thanks for being bold! Unfortunately, it seems that the subpages you made are in violation of subpage policy for the article namespace: disallowed subpage uses #3 (see here as well). Here are some options as I see it:

  1. We move all of the current subpages to a relative page, e.g. List of legendary creatures/A to List of legendary creatures (A)
  2. We merge all of the supages into multiple new pages, e.g. List of legendary creatures/A through List of legendary creatures/M to List of legendary creatures (A-M)
  3. We request deletion on all of the subpages and revert List of legendary creatures to its state before transclusion.
  4. The problem with the above methods is that the main page, List of legendary creatures, does not really get any more functional (smaller) as a result of the split. For that reason, it might be better to split the page by creature origin, e.g. List of legendary Greek creatures, List of legendary Chinese creatures.

Whichever method that you think will be the easiest for contributors to maintain is up to you. Maybe you have an idea that would work better. In my opinion, option four seems the best way to go, but let me know what you think. Eager to hear from you, Arbitrarily0 (talk) 20:12, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Hmm... me being bold was for two reaons: the page is fat, being hard to navigate for f.ex. slow connection users, potentially being hard to edit and maintain because someone had an oldish browser. The list can now be navigated by small portions by entering List of legendary creatures/navigate (that should maybe be Lists of legendary creatures (overview)), and, in the case if one wish to browser search for certain parts of any creature, f.ex. browser searching goat for all legendary creatures having a goat part, then the List of legendary creatures is still the best thing. I therefore propose alternative 1. ... said: Rursus (mbork³) 20:27, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Okey day! Sounds like a plan to me. Unless you have any objections, I'll begin moving the pages straight away. Arbitrarily0 (talk)
No objections. Me help in any way? ... said: Rursus (mbork³) 21:19, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 Done - Okay, I finished the page moving. If your willing, you can add {{db-g7}} to all of the subpages (such as List of legendary creatures/A) - that would be very helpful. Arbitrarily0 (talk) 22:52, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Done (after sleep)! Hope thing's are better structured now. ... said: Rursus (mbork³) 08:03, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

proposals, proposals![edit]

Hi there again. I hope this won't be imposing on you too much, but I am bewildered about the reactions I am getting on and wondered if you could give your views on wether it is I who can't express myself or people just don't read. Should I change the title? Can the main ideas be understood, or do I need to rewrite the wole thing? Or just complete it? Or...? Please don't feel obliged even to answer, but if you feel inclined to :), could u use my talk page or mail? Will be very stressed for the next couple of weeks and have to limit wikitime dramatically :( Saludos, -- Thamus joyfulnoise 07:11, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

yaik! I just realised that I got fearfully sidetracked in the course of the last 2 days events (here in real life) and the promised mail about web 2.0 etc never left. Today was wasted online before I realised this (just now) so I guess tomorrow... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thamus (talkcontribs) 07:50, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
Easy, easy! Here the dialogue is generally slow and steady (except in emergencies as above). Maybe you've noticed I'm a Wikisloth? That means very slowly, so if it takes a week between the answers, it is getting very fast. This site is for fun and learning — and in my case also filling in certain knowledge holes in my head regarding mythology, humanness, language and computer language. Things here seldom get dangerously emergent, take it easy, be happy! ... said: Rursus (mbork³) 07:58, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Volapük and 10 additional cases[edit]

I've just seen your idea on expanding VP grammar on this link - As a fellow conlang aficionado I think it would be great if you realized your idea by either expanding VP grammar or creating a new, more baroque and elaborate, conlang based on Volapük. Please tell me what you think of this proposal.

All in all, my encouragements! --ArkinAardvark (talk) 11:17, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes! The humor effect would be great. But I may also make my "reformed" Volapük more terse, possibly introducing č, š and elaborate consonant combination such as 'str' and 'spl'. My main idea is that one doesn't do an "easy to learn" language by removing all inflection and falsely claiming that there is no grammar. Soon to come... ... said: Rursus (mbork³) 13:39, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
Obviously you have a lot of ideas; I think that you should consider at least three separate conlang projects: 1) reformed (expanded and more ::elaborate ::Volapük, 2) something more terse and different but similar enough to VP - like Spanish and French or Italian and French and, 3) ::Something completely ::(combine VP's elaborateness with Neo's terseness)different (basically this č, š, 'str' and 'spl' idea) but strange, baroque, ::detailed, elaborate and interesting enough - something like a spiritual successor to Volapük (relatedness and similarities should be like System Shock ::2 vs. Bioshock)
As you can see, I'm very interested - so if you need any advice or opinion, just ask!
And keep us informed.

--ArkinAardvark (talk) 14:08, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

I take 3) Some features of Volapük are inherently very good, and severely misunderstood: the cases must be vowel based in order to get a maximally flexible word formation system: I'm slightly inclined towards polysynthetic languages, and I think the agglutinating system that everybody criticised is good, not bad. There is no obligatorium to use all verbal forms, but if you would need to, they're possible. On the other hand, some flexing features would make the language more effective, if they don't collide with the agglutinating system.
Almost all new IALs ignore the most important word formation needed by f.ex. science, astronomy and chemistry. Esperanto and Volapük have some merits by taking word formation seriously, but I think naturally occurring words such as "spårvagnsförarhandbok", "tram drivers manual" composed from five stems "spår+vagn+s+förar+hand+bok", "trail wagon's driver hand-book", +s+ being just a hierarchy-of-composition marker, won't do nicely even in Esperanto, but possibly it will be acceptable in Volapük, something I will try to elaborate experimentally in any weird Volapük descendant. ... said: Rursus (mbork³) 14:26, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
Sounds interesting; anyway, I'll keep this page on my watchlist so post a notification here if and when you make some progress.
Regards, --ArkinAardvark (talk) 14:51, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Carbon Burning[edit]

I just did a re-write of Carbon burning, an Astronomy article which has some erroneous or misleading content and featured lots of warnings. I also added a couple of references for my changes. I am hoping I did enough for the warnings to be lifted. Since it says on your page you're an astronomer and you contributed to the talk page of the article, I thought I'd mention it to you. As I'm new to Wikipedia, and have only made minor edits before (so far with no reverts!) I hope you can help me. I am unsure as to whether I should just wait for an editor to notice my changes (which could take years :)) or if not, how do I contact the relevant editor? I couldn't find help on Wikipedia covering this topic, though I suppose I could apply for featured article status... except I'm not ready for that! Puzl bustr (talk) 12:59, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

No problemo! And welcome to wikipedia! And I'm an amateur astronomer, not a professional. By the way, professional counts little on Wikipedia, the professionals are scrutinized for what they write as much as any editor. I'll however take a look on Carbon burning and see if everything is OK. ... said: Rursus (mbork³) 13:34, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

spiral arms[edit] is very cool, thanks! Doceddi (talk) 13:13, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Be welcome! But I think, some day, when I get time, that it must be updated (or if anyone else is interested). I think there are fresher data for the small blobs representing HII regions, and that there also exists fresher data for the spiral arms. ... said: Rursus (mbork³) 16:22, 26 October 2009 (UTC)


Could this article lose some warnings now? I think I've cleared up previous confusion between R136 and R136a, and other contributors have cleaned up the references and provided a helpful illustration. In general, I don't know who to ask about warnings, or even if I should, so hope you'll understand. Puzl bustr (talk) 19:43, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes. ... said: Rursus (mbork³) 07:06, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
Since the "issue templates" are often put on the article lefthandedly and arbitrarily, and often also without a note on the talk page, the normal requirement to remove a template is just to take a look on the article, talk page notes, then fix the problems of the article by one's own estimate. Then removing the templates oneself is usually considered legio, it is good to also leave a talk page note of how the issues are fixed. But I am always interested in astronomy, I didn't know about R136 and that it is a superstarcluster (SSC) in 30 Doradûs that is a likely precursor to a future globular cluster, so there's no trouble involved for me removing them. ... said: Rursus (mbork³) 07:25, 27 October 2009 (UTC)