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Happy editing! --🐦DrWho42👻 08:38, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you DoctorWho42, the sentiment is appreciated.Sireliah (talk) 08:43, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

March 2022

Welcome to Wikipedia, and thank you for your contributions. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, please note that there is a Manual of Style that should be followed to maintain a consistent, encyclopedic appearance. Deviating from this style, as you did in Atlético Madrid, disturbs uniformity among articles and may cause readability or accessibility problems. Please take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. —C.Fred (talk) 02:52, 7 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There is no rule in English that requires a definite article before all mentions of a team name. It is typically done with a nickname/mascot for the team (the Raiders, the Gunners, the Blue Devils, the Demons) but not before the city or club name (Las Vegas, Arsenal, Duke, North Melbourne). —C.Fred (talk) 02:58, 7 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- "The Rams" is the team name as well as the the Raiders, the Green Bay Packers, the Dodgers, etc. If you want to include the city name then you get the Los Angeles Rams, the Las Vegas Raiders, the Los Angeles Dodgers, etc. Why are these football teams different on English language Wikipedia?Sireliah (talk) 03:10, 7 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  - It is a function of the mascot coming along with the city in the full name of the club, reducing the city to the role of an adjective providing specificity. Worst case example from the NHL, before they tweaked the name: The Mighty Ducks of Anaheim. —C.Fred (talk) 03:17, 7 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    - What is the name of the Rams if it's not the Rams? Sireliah (talk) 03:25, 7 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      - The legal entity, as far as I can tell, is the Los Angeles Rams. In common usage, it's the Los Angeles Rams or the Rams. If context permits, common usage can also be just Los Angeles ("I watched the game between the Rams and the Bengals, and Los Angeles won"); however, if there could be confusion with the Los Angeles Chargers, then it has to be expanded out to include Rams. —C.Fred (talk) 03:34, 7 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
        OK, let's call'em the Athletic Club of Los Angeles. There is still an article before "Athletic". Seems to me the term "Atletico" or "Atletico Madrid" are used grammatically like terms "the Rams" or "the Raiders". We are on English Wikipedia, not Spanish Wikipedia. Why the exception for these teams? Sireliah (talk) 03:41, 7 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
        Because association football is different. When referring to Manchester United or Manchester City, it's just United or City, not the United or the City. "Atletico" is not a mascot; it's a part of the club name, like "United", so similar rules apply. —C.Fred (talk) 04:16, 7 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
        Why is it different? Why do English grammar rules change when referring to association football clubs? I understand your point but I don't see why the exception is made. Can we look up this argument of yours and find a specific rule in multiple English grammar books/publications? If you are right then I would like to see something I can cite. Sireliah (talk) 04:31, 7 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
        It's a matter of common usage rather than a prescriptive one. There is not a rule one way or the other. —C.Fred (talk) 04:42, 7 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
        If I were to undo your changes in favor of my edits, which are based on English grammar rules, which Wikipedia rule/s would you cite specifically as justification for undoing my edits? Sireliah (talk) 07:54, 7 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
        WP:LANGVAR for explanation of the some of the differences between International, American and Oxford English. Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 138#Are or Is (first sentence - North American teams) discusses North American formatting specifically. 208.81.212.224 (talk) 00:37, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Atlético Madrid. Your edits appear to be disruptive and have been or will be reverted.

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Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive. Continued disruptive editing may result in loss of editing privileges. Do not use nonstandard grammar in articles. —C.Fred (talk) 03:00, 7 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Atlanta United 2, you may be blocked from editing. Sounder Bruce 10:53, 7 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In the US, team names have a definite article. Sireliah (talk) 11:51, 7 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You have a definite article in front of the soccer team name on your TALK page. Sireliah (talk) 12:03, 7 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Usage varies by club. At the Colorado Rapids' website, they use a definite article before "the Colorado Rapids", but they do not use one before some other clubs, like "Atlanta United". At Atlanta United's website, they do not use the definite article before "Atlanta United", nor do they before other clubs like "Colorado Rapids". Quotes: "It was a cold day in Colorado, and a cold day for Atlanta United as the team was shut out...." "It was the first goal of the season for Colorado Rapids."[1] —C.Fred (talk) 12:40, 7 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I'm SounderBruce. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions to Seattle Sounders FC have been undone because they did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Teahouse. Thanks. Sounder Bruce 11:15, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

After hashing it out over the Spanish teams I went specifically to an American team that uses the definite article and you removed that as well. I see no grammatical consistency in your actions. I guess syntax is not a concern of soccer teams or their fans. Sireliah (talk) 00:24, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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