User talk:Tenryuu/Archives/Jul–Dec 2022

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How is it that you are such a good copy editor?

How do you do it so well? Regards from the guild’s newest copy editor. Stay safe and well, --Total Eclipse 2017 (talk) (Origin of the username) 18:42, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Total Eclipse 2017, lots of experience, lots of critical reading, and the open-mindedness to learn about different cultures (I added this last point because it does affect the way people write).

While copyediting is a lot of technical fixes like grammar and spelling, a big part of it is being able to understand what the primary editors are trying to say and the best way to convey it in formal English. There are some times where the English is spelt correctly and grammatically correct, but is used strangely and is unfit for an encyclopedia. When I take a request, I go through a process (you can take a look at said process here) because there's an active editor with whom I can converse with. My general rule is to go through (at least) three revisions:

Read the article for the first time and correct any obvious errors; this usually takes the longest. If something is unclear, use invisible comments and remember them for later. When the first revision is done, go to the article's talk page, ping the active editor, and use the invisible comments as questions to ask. I generally like using the {{tq}} template to quote sentences to refer to them.
After at least half a day (and hopefully with answers), go back to the article and fix up the problem spots that the questions came from while catching any stray errors. Update the active editor on the questions that have been answered and those that need further clarification.
After at least another half day, read any new answers the active editor gave me and incorporate them; they should usually be clear enough such that I don't need to ask for more clarity. Carefully reread the article from top to bottom. If satisfied, let the active editor know their copyedit is complete.

A good example of my process is over at Talk:Via Giulia.

With backlogged articles it's a little different. They are not requested, and because of that, there usually isn't an editor who is particularly keen on striking a dialogue compared to one who requests a copyedit. If they're small enough one short quick revision is usually enough. For a longer article, I generally skip the question phase with these and finish a big first revision, then wait a few hours before returning to it to look at it a second time.

Here are some things that I think make a good copyeditor:

Know and learn about the subject as much as you can. Even if it is something you have never heard of before (which is usually the case for us copyeditors) do some research on the topic. If you don't know, ask another editor or look up other Wikipedia articles for more information. This also includes the variant of English used in the article.
Read the article out loud. Sometimes errors aren't apparent until you read them aloud, particularly with pauses like commas, semicolons, and periods.
Do multiple revisions and space out breaktime in-between. This is probably the most important thing. Just like teachers tell you in school, never assume that you can do the best job that you can on your first draft. With long articles copyediting can be tiring, which causes us to overlook some errors that would have been obvious. I can't count the number of times where I re-checked my work and needed to fix up some errors. Space revisions apart by hours and do something else, so that when you come back you are not fatigued from checking it and subconsciously deeming everything correct.

I hope that helps! —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:44, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much! I will use your advice. Stay safe and well, --Total Eclipse 2017 (talk) (Origin of the username) 19:46, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Just one question, how do you do invisible comments? Stay safe and well, --Total Eclipse 2017 (talk) (Origin of the username) 19:47, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Total Eclipse 2017, two methods:

If you are using the VisualEditor: go to the toolbar and click on Insert. The dropdown menu will have an item called "Comment". Click on that to add it to where your cursor is and fill in the text field with the comment you want to leave.
If you are manually typing it in (this also works in VisualEditor): enclose your comment with .

Look for my invisible comment somewhere in this reply. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:54, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Found it. Thanks again! Also, I only use the Visual editor for things I can’t figure out in the source editor BTW. Stay safe and well, --Total Eclipse 2017 (talk) (Origin of the username) 19:56, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

In this case, I think the definition of “long article” is somewhere around 1K words. What do you think? (I usually only do one copyedit on say, a 100 word article because you can see the whole thing at a glance...) Stay safe and well, --Total Eclipse 2017 (talk) (Origin of the username) 23:45, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Total Eclipse 2017, it's really arbitrary. Length is a big factor, but how much reworking needs to be done is also important. Too many things to fix gets really tiresome while too few things means you're less likely to have a critical eye to evaluate the article as you're lulled into a false sense of security. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:26, 5 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

ANI recusal – now moot

Hi, Tenryuu,

Thanks for your reply at the ANI thread. The thread was closed within 15' after that, so the issue is now moot, but I still wanted to let you know I appreciated both your reply to me, as well as your involvement generally. Has anyone nominated you as an admin, and would you like to be? I know for a fact that they need good candidates, and I think you could be a valuable addition to the corps. Mathglot (talk) 00:01, 23 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Mathglot. I'm flattered, but I don't think I'm quite admin material yet (as you could see with some of the policy misinterpretation). I generally hang around in the realm of copyediting (though I prod WP spaces occasionally), but who knows what the future brings? Again, thanks so much for your kind words.

—Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 11:59, 23 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you

I thank you for attempting to explain that my two comments refer to behavior on two different talk pages. I do not posses the never ending patients of Robert. I wish I did- but the ridiculousness of the past week has been unbelievable. My first ani case against me. Nearly ten years of editing, one year as a drn volunteer and this one is the one that I’ll remember. Unbelievable. But.... for now at least, it’s over. Thanks for the support. Nightenbelle (talk) 02:07, 23 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

sorry one talk page and one ani board. To clarify in case someone comes back to quote this later. Nightenbelle (talk) 02:08, 23 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Nightenbelle:, I totally know what you mean. I feel like we need to print up "I was there" or, "I survived the ANI thread from Hell" T-shirts, or something. Drop by my Talk page, anytime you want to rant, let off steam, or klatsch. Tenryuu's invited; we'll make it a three-some. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 07:02, 23 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

thank you! Lol always good to have some place to vent!! Nightenbelle (talk) 11:56, 23 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Nightenbelle: You are most welcome. I was surprised to see it went as far as an EW claim levied against you, but thankfully everything seems resolved.

Haha, Mathglot, I might take you up on that offer sometime! Also, thanks for demonstrating the use of that divbox on the talk page. I might never use it, but it looks like it could come in handy. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 12:07, 23 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Nightenbelle, Mathglot, and Tenryuu: I know the situation you all encountered at the ANI, recently, was emotionally and mentally draining but I thought you all handled it well, considering what you faced. I just stopped by to encourage you and compliment you on trying to resolve it and maintaining civility. Others do notice your contributions. :) --Tsistunagiska (talk) 15:50, 23 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

well thank you Nightenbelle (talk) 21:20, 23 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Tsistunagiska, thanks for your kind words.

—Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:04, 23 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

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I see on your user page that you've done some copy-editing by request. Would you be able to copy-edit WAP (song)? I submitted a request at GOCE but figured it may be a better idea to contact a specific user. Thanks in advance! --VersaceSpace 🌃 00:17, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@VersaceSpace: Hey there! Unfortunately I'm busy on odd months to clear the GOCE's backlog. I could take a look at it when August comes around. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:52, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Alright. That's probably around when GOCE would get to it anyway. Either way, thanks! --VersaceSpace 🌃 02:55, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wikiproject COVID-19

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Hi Tenryuu, hope you are well. I thought that you might be interested in this conversation about the future of the daily COVID-19 updates here. Cheers Andykatib (talk) 02:53, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Andykatib: I've already added my input a few days ago. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:24, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No worries, will make sure other contributors are aware of the conversation as well. Andykatib (talk) 08:37, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Satyress japanese translation

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hi, I can't find the original topic, but my reference to machine translation was because I thought the user was after it for their private use. I agree that machine translations can be awful. Wakelamp d[@-@]b (talk) 05:42, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

COI Editor - German/Russian subject

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Thanks for reverting the deletion of my edits on the Zelimkhan Khangoshvili article. I expect the IPS editor is an employee of the GRU. There should be an article for the assassin Vadim Krasikov, but this section will have to do until someone unbiased and familiar (ideally) with both German and Russian can put one together. There may already be one on either language's WP site, but those of course would also be subject to COI editing. Activist (talk) 07:30, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Activist: No worries. I only reverted it because cited information was removed. I'll admit I don't know if it's reliable or not, but I'll AGF. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:46, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Guild of Copy Editors' October 2022 newsletter

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Guild of Copy Editors October 2022 Newsletter

Hello and welcome to our latest newsletter, a quarterly digest of Guild activities since June. Don't forget you can unsubscribe at any time; see below.

Drive: Of the 22 editors who signed up for our July Backlog Elimination Drive, 18 copy-edited, between them, 116 articles. Barnstars awarded are noted here.

Blitz: Participants in our August Copy Editing Blitz copy-edited 51,074 words in 17 articles. Of the 15 editors who signed up, 11 claimed at least one copy-edit. Barnstars awarded are noted here.

Drive: Forty-one editors took part in our September Backlog Elimination Drive; between them they copy-edited 199 articles. Barnstars awards are noted here.

Blitz: Our October Copy Editing Blitz begins on 16 October at 00:01 (UTC) and will end on 22 October at 23:59 (UTC). Barnstars awarded will be posted here.

Progress report: As of 19:57, 12 October 2022 (UTC), GOCE copyeditors have processed 303 requests for copy edit – including withdrawn and declined ones – since 1 January. At the time of writing, there are 77 requests awaiting attention and the backlog of tagged articles stands at 1,759. We always need more active, skilled copyeditors – particularly for requests – so please get involved if you can.

Election news: In our mid-year election, serving coordinators Baffle gab1978, Dhtwiki, Miniapolis, Reidgreg and Tenryuu were returned for another term, and were joined by new coordinator Zippybonzo. No lead coordinator was elected for this half-year. Jonesey95, a long-serving coordinator and lead, was elected as coordinator emeritus; we thank them for their service. Thank you to everyone who took part. Our next election of coordinators takes place throughout December. If you'd like to help out at the GOCE, please consider nominating yourself or other suitable editors (with their permission, of course!). It's your Guild, after all!

Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we have without you! Cheers from your GOCE coordinators Baffle gab1978, Dhtwiki, Miniapolis, Reidgreg, Tenryuu and Zippybonzo.

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Guild of Copy Editors December 2022 Newsletter

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Guild of Copy Editors December 2022 Newsletter

Hello and welcome to our latest newsletter, a quarterly digest of Guild activities since October. Don't forget you can unsubscribe at any time; see below.

Blitz: Our October Copy Editing Blitz focused on July and August 2022 request months; and articles tagged for c/e in December 2021 and January 2022. Seventeen of those who signed up claimed at least one copy-edit, and between them copy-edited forty-six articles. Barnstars awarded are here.

Drive: In the November Backlog Elimination Drive, thirty editors signed up, twenty-two of whom claimed at least one copy-edit. Both target months—December 2021 and January 2022—were cleared, and February was added to the target months. Sixteen requests were copy-edited and 239 articles were removed from the backlog. Barnstars awarded are here.

Blitz: Our seven-day-long December 2022 Copy Editing Blitz begins on 17 December at 00:01 (UTC)*. It will focus on articles tagged for copy-edit in February 2022, and pending requests from September and October. Barnstars awarded will be available here.

Progress report: As of 22:40, 8 December 2022, GOCE copyeditors have processed 357 requests since 1 January, there were seventy-four requests outstanding and the backlog stands at 1,791 articles. We always need skilled copy-editors; please help out if you can.

Election news: Nomination of candidates for the GOCE's Election of Coordinators for the first half of 2023 is open and continues until 23:59 on 15 December. Voting begins at 00:01 on 16 December and closes at 23:59 on 31 December. All editors in good standing (not under ArbCom or community sanctions) are eligible and self-nominations are welcomed. Coordinators serve a six-month term that ends at 23:59 on June 30. If you've thought about helping out at the Guild, please nominate yourself or any editor you consider suitable—with their permission, of course!. It's your Guild and it doesn't coordinate itself.

Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we have without you! Cheers and best seasonal wishes from your GOCE coordinators, Baffle gab1978, Dhtwiki, Miniapolis, Tenryuu, and Zippybonzo.

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Guild of Copy Editors December 2022 Newsletter error

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The GOCE December 2022 newsletter, as sent on 9 December, contains an erroneous start date for our December Blitz. The Blitz will start on 11 December rather than on 17 December, as stated in the newsletter. I'm sorry for the mistake and for disrupting your talk page; thanks for your understanding. Sent by Baffle gab1978 via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 21:31, 9 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Following from the help desk conversation, should I reveal my real username?

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Sorry to bother you, just curious. Also, was it rude of me not to say please when asking those questions?

Edit: Never mind, it was. I was trying to hide my identity, since I always do that when asking questions on this website. Sorry about that.

Second edit: Added spaces for edits. Third edit: Added more spaces. Sorry to be such a klutz at this.Greberrevin (talk) 02:53, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]