User talk:The Swamp Creature

May 2020

Please do not add promotional material to Wikipedia, as you did to Groypers. While objective prose about beliefs, organisations, people, products or services is acceptable, Wikipedia is not a vehicle for soapboxing, advertising or promotion. Thank you. Grayfell (talk) 20:03, 23 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

My edits are designed to reflect the statements made by both Groypers and commentators. As I elaborated on in a section which was removed by you, Groypers are not alt right. I provided a citation demonstrating that Nick had feuded with Alt Right founder Richard Spencer. The Swamp Creature (talk) 20:14, 23 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia reflects reliable sources with a preference for independent sources. Statements made by Groypers are not reliable, and not independent. Information about Nick Fuentes would belong at that article, not this one. Your opinion that the Groypers are nto alt-right/white nationalist/etc. is contradicted by reliable sources. Instead of edit warring, you should discuss changes on the article's talk page, if necessary. All proposed changes will need to be supported by sources. Again, do not edit war, as this will lead to being banned, and the article being locked. Discuss on the article's talk page. Grayfell (talk) 20:22, 23 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note:

Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. Grayfell (talk) 20:23, 23 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I am not the person who started an edit war. I made changes which contribute to the Groyper page and which are substantiated by sources, and you reverted them back without good reason The Swamp Creature (talk) 20:26, 23 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I explained the reason at multiple places, and your dislike of the reason is not enough to justify edit warring to whitewash the article. See WP:BRD The burden is on you to gain consensus for changes you wish to make. Grayfell (talk) 20:30, 23 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There are no sources listed in which any leader of the Groypers calls themselves a member of the alt right. There is no article showing any leader advocating for White Nationalism. Nick Fuentes is known (and I included a citation) to have a hatred for Richard Spencer, the creator of the alt right. The Swamp Creature (talk) 20:35, 23 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

As I have no mentioned multiple times in multiple places, Wikipedia is not interested in this, because this is not a platform for public relations. We go by reliable sources, specifically independent sources. How "members" of the Groypers describe themselves could be mentioned, but only if it's supported by a reliable source. Also, you, as an editor, doesn't get to decide who is a member and who isn't. Grayfell (talk) 20:40, 23 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I substantiated the editing of the phrase "alt right" to "far right" through the justification in the "Ideology" section. If you find this justification to be invalid, please explain. The Swamp Creature (talk) 20:44, 23 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Again, that is original research, because you applied your understanding of ideology to refute reliable sources. Wikipedia summarizes what reliable sources say, and little else. You, as an anonymous editor, are not qualified to interpret a source to imply something which is not directly stated. Please read WP:OR. Sources directly link the Groypers to the alt-right, and that's all we care about.

As for "feuds", first, Wikipedia isn't a gossip column, and second, that the alt-right is plagued with in-fighting is about as notable as saying water is wet. If sources say that Groypers cannot be alt-right specifically because Fuentes feuded with Spencer, cite a source which says exactly that. Don't try and research it yourself based on other sources, as this would be WP:SYNTH. Grayfell (talk) 20:50, 23 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Notice of edit warring noticeboard discussion

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. The thread is Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:The Swamp Creature reported by User:GorillaWarfare (Result: ). Thank you. GorillaWarfare (talk) 20:53, 23 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

May 2020

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 24 hours for edit warring. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions.

During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}. Drmies (talk) 20:57, 23 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]