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Your submission at Articles for creation: Gholamhossein Saber (November 13)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by DoubleGrazing were:

This submission reads more like an essay than an encyclopedia article. Submissions should summarise information in secondary, reliable sources and not contain opinions or original research. Please write about the topic from a neutral point of view in an encyclopedic manner.

This submission does not appear to be written in the formal tone expected of an encyclopedia article. Entries should be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources. Please rewrite your submission in a more encyclopedic format. Please make sure to avoid peacock terms that promote the subject.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Needs to be rewritten in a more concise style and neutral tone; the object should be to describe and inform, not praise and promote.

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DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:00, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Happy editing! DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:00, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@DoubleGrazing thanks a lot for the warm welcome amd the links!

Vahid Vdastpak1 (talk) 08:13, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Gholamhossein Saber (January 22)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Eejit43 was:

This submission reads more like an essay than an encyclopedia article. Submissions should summarise information in secondary, reliable sources and not contain opinions or original research. Please write about the topic from a neutral point of view in an encyclopedic manner.

The comment the reviewer left was:

While the NPOV issues are mostly gone, this reads much more like a biography than an encyclopedic article. Sections such as "Travel to Europe" and "Photography" seem more like a story, and aren't relevant to the article.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

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~ Eejit43 (talk) 23:45, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your continued work on this draft, it is appreciated!

~ Eejit43 (talk) 23:46, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you @Eejit43 for reviewing my submission and your encouragement! I think I understand your point about "travel to Europe" but photography is an important part of Saber's work. Having said that, I agree there's some irrelevant information in that section. I'll try to clean that up. Cheers, Vahid Vdastpak1 (talk) 07:26, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Eejit43, I removed the section on "Travel to Europe" and shortened the "Photography" section. Please have a look. Thanks, Vahid Vdastpak1 (talk) 05:50, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sentences such as Saber took an interest in photography when he was a university student. Initially encouraged by Yeprem Artonians, aka Monsieur George, who ran a photography studio in Shiraz, he gradually became more vested in photography, following it with the same passion as he did painting still have too much excess, unreferenced information, and still read like a biography. I think a large portion of the draft still needs to be cut down and removed of irrelevant information.

Other sentences such as As in the Khorramshahr years, his early Shiraz works, especially his portraits, with darker colors and strong brush strokes, had a certain Expressionistic look. have the same thing- written much more like a biography and in a non-neutral tone.

As much as I hate to say it, I think the majority of the article needs to be rewritten in order to be accepted. If you have further questions, feel free to ask them at the Teahouse. ~ Eejit43 (talk) 14:11, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Eejit43,

While this has been frustrating, I am trying my best to understand your point about the entry in general and the two sections you quoted, in particular. You suggested they "still have too much excess, unreferenced information, and still read like a biography. I think a large portion of the draft still needs to be cut down and removed of irrelevant information."

I've spent more than four months gathering, cross-checking, and summarizing the reference material. Every single line in the entry is based on quoted references and does not include any original research, unreferenced information, or personal opinions.

As for "too much excess" and "irrelevant information", I agree that details such as the camera type, which I removed upon your first review, are somehow irrelevant, but that's not the case with an artist’s style and technique, the artistic medium, their palette and choice of colors, their travels, their encounters and exposures to other artists' works, and many other aspects of an artist’s development.

As an artist and an art history enthusiast, I believe these facts are as important to learning about an artist and their life, as it is important for a scientist to know their field of study, their scientific methods, their encounters with fellow scientists, the universities and the seminars they attended and taught at, etc. Without those facts the entry will become an empty, dry shell with numbers and dates and place names, devoid of any meaningful content. The existing entries for artists bios in Wikipedia support my point. Every single entry I read makes use of such details to shed light on the life and works of the artist. Here are some examples:

Albert Marquet:

… His early compositions were characterised by a clear and painterly Fauvist approach, in which he had a fine control of the drawing and responded to light, not only by intensifying the strongest tones, but also by seeing the weaker ones in coloristic terms. Marquet and Matisse were already painting together in pure colors, as far back as 1898 in the Arcueil and at the Luxembourg Gardens, in what was later to be called the Fauve style. …

… At the end of 1907 he stayed in Paris and dedicated himself, together with Matisse, to a series of city views. The fundamental difference between the two is that while Matisse used strong colours, Marquet favored grayed yellows, greyed violets or blues….

Henri_Matisse:

… In 1896, Matisse, an unknown art student at the time, visited the Australian painter John Russell on the island Belle Île off the coast of Brittany.[13][14] Russell introduced him to Impressionism and to the work of Vincent van Gogh—who had been a friend of Russell—and gave him a Van Gogh drawing. Matisse's style changed completely; abandoning his earth-coloured palette for bright colours. He later said Russell was his teacher, and that Russell had explained colour theory to him.[11]

Francis_Bacon_(artist):

… By 1944 Bacon had gained confidence and moved toward developing his unique signature style.[23] His Three Studies for Figures at the Base of a Crucifixion had summarised themes explored in his earlier paintings, including his examination of Picasso's biomorphs, his interpretations of the Crucifixion, and the Greek Furies. It is generally considered his first mature piece;[24] …

Albrecht_Dürer:

… Within three months of his marriage, Dürer left for Italy, alone, perhaps stimulated by an outbreak of plague in Nuremberg. He made watercolour sketches as he traveled over the Alps. Some have survived and others may be deduced from accurate landscapes of real places in his later work, for example his engraving Nemesis.

In Italy, he went to Venice to study its more advanced artistic world. Through Wolgemut's tutelage, Dürer had learned how to make prints in drypoint and design woodcuts in the German style, based on the works of Schongauer and the Housebook Master. He also would have had access to some Italian works in Germany, but the two visits he made to Italy had an enormous influence on him. …

I hope I have been able to convey my point. Thanks again,

@Vdastpak1 Vdastpak1 (talk) 03:55, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This looks much better, and I really admire your dedication to this topic! I'll do a thorough review tomorrow

. ~ Eejit43 (talk) 04:25, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks @Eejit43. Have you had a chance to have a look? Best wishes, Vahid. Vdastpak1 (talk) 04:53, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have not yet. I'm would at least wait until image content ownership is proven through VRT. I've not been very motivated as of late, so you might have better luck just waiting for another AfC reviewer to come along. ~ Eejit43 (talk) 12:30, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Eejit43 , the images ownership is resolved through VRT. Do you have time for hopefully one last review of the entry please? Thanks in advance! Vdastpak1 (talk) 20:49, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Vdastpak1 done! Thanks so much for all your hard work on this! ~ Eejit43 (talk) 22:40, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot @Eejit43! Vdastpak1 (talk) 02:36, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Gholamhossein Saber has been accepted

Gholamhossein Saber, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.

Congratulations, and thank you for helping expand the scope of Wikipedia! We hope you will continue making quality contributions.

The article has been assessed as B-Class, which is recorded on its talk page. This is a fantastic rating for a new article, and places it among the top 3% of accepted submissions — major kudos to you! You may like to take a look at the grading scheme to see how you can improve the article.

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~ Eejit43 (talk) 22:39, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot @Eejit43 for your constructive feedback, the time you spend on this, and your support! This is truly encouraging and I am looking forward to making future contributions. Vdastpak1 (talk) 08:06, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Vdastpak1 of course, happy to help :) ~ Eejit43 (talk) 16:03, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Please help me with... Hello, I have finished translating Gholamhossein_Saber to Farsi, with the help of the translation tool. When I try to publish the page, the spam filter complains about a reference url (vista.ir) . As far as I know this is a news cite. I have also checked the spam blacklist and the url is not there.

This is the complete error message: هرزنگاری محتمل در متن ترجمهٔ شما شناسایی شد. جزئیات: The text you wanted to publish was blocked by the spam filter. This is probably caused by a link to a forbidden external site. The following text is what triggered our spam filter: vista.ir

Thanks. Vdastpak1 (talk) 18:57, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Each Wikipedia project maintains its own spam blacklist, so you will need to ask the relevant people on Farsi Wikipedia in relation to this as there is nothing the English Wikipedia can do about it - Rich^T|C|E-Mail 01:13, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks @Rich Smith ! I will check the Farsi blacklist. Vdastpak1 (talk) 07:10, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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