User talk:Wikilosci

This is Wikilosci's talk page, where you can send them messages and comments.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Your submission at Articles for creation: Taighde Éireann (August 27)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by DoubleGrazing were:

This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources.

This draft's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. In summary, the draft needs multiple published sources that are:

in-depth (not just brief mentions about the subject or routine announcements)
reliable
secondary
strictly independent of the subject

Make sure you add references that meet all four of these criteria before resubmitting. Learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue. If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Taighde Éireann and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:08, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Wikilosci! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:08, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of Taighde Éireann

Hello Wikilosci,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Taighde Éireann for deletion, because it seems to be copied from another source, probably infringing copyright.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to rewrite it in your own words, you can contest this deletion, but don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Thanks!

Message delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.

-1ctinus📝🗨 11:26, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Wikilosci: please do not create an article on this subject directly yourself, since you have a conflict of interest (COI) as a paid editor. You must put your draft through the AfC review process, like you did previously. Thank you, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:30, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@DoubleGrazing Apologies - user Jimfbleak kindly supplied me with more information on their deletion of the article initially. When I realised the problem I created a page again. I added citations to the new article, but as you can see, it was removed for copyright. This is not copyright as the release linked comes from the Department of Higher and Further Education, Research and Science in Ireland which is Research Ireland's parent department. I will edit my draft and I thank you for your patience. Wikilosci (talk) 08:26, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Two things:

Because of your COI, you may create a draft on this subject, but you may not create an article, ie. you may not publish directly into the encyclopaedia; you must go through the AfC process instead.
If you've copied content from somewhere, unless it is demonstrably free of copyright (eg. the copyright has expired, or the content has been explicitly licensed under a Creative Commons or similar licence that is compatible with Wikipedia), it almost certainly is a copyright violation, and we will certainly treated it as such. I don't know if this particular Irish gov't ministry's website is thus licensed, but perhaps you can tell us why you feel the content in question "is not copyright"?

Thanks, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:45, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No problem, I will edit the draft instead of adding an article. When the draft goes through the AfC process, is it added to the encyclopaedia? How long does this process tend to last?

In relation to the copyright situation, the information about this new state-funded agency is supplied to us by the Government of Ireland. The functions of Taighde Éireann – Research Ireland are developed by the government and not the agency. Therefore it would not be considered copyright as it is related to how Research Ireland is described in the Research and Innovation bill 2024. However, I can understand where you are coming from if this information is directly copied to the wikipedia page. If I rewrite some of the content, will this no longer be an issue?

Thanks for your time again. Wikilosci (talk) 09:35, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I'm still not clear on what, in what you say, means that the content isn't covered by copyright. But since I don't know exactly what content we're talking about, I'll just sail on by.

If you rewrite the information in your own words, you should be safe. I say 'should', because there is still the related matter of close paraphrasing, which could mean that the words are yours but the content clearly replicates the original, but this is seldom clear-cut.

Also, going back to first principles, Wikipedia articles should be composed by summarising in your own words what reliable published sources have said. If you summarise, ie. condense and digest, you're much less likely to fall foul of close paraphrasing, because you're cutting out content and probably putting things across in a simplified manner.

HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:47, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is difficult to explain but what I mean is this information is not 'owned' by a person. The information is a description of the agency's functions to be used in the public domain. I would imagine that most government agencies that appear on Wikipedia directly use the information supplied to them by their parent department as it is the precise description of the work that they do. Not sure if that helps but anyway - I can understand the issue with exact text almost being transferred from one website to Wikipedia. I will change the content and add citations in the hopes of being approved. Many thanks. Wikilosci (talk) 11:07, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]