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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete after discounting anonips showing up for the first time in order to vote. As suggested, categories would be a good way to replace it. -- ( drini's vandalproof page ☎ ) 03:53, 1 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

List of The Simpsons episodes by theme

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Delete because

Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information: Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of items of information. That something is 100% true does not mean it is suitable for inclusion in an encyclopedia.

This list is pure fancruft (yes, I know some people here do not like the term but this is the epitome of it) and is of no encyclopedic value whatsoever - I doubt categorizing Simpsons episodes by theme serves any encyclopedic purpose.

There are hundreds of fansites out there who are more suitable for this topic than Wikipedia.

zerofoks 19:40, 26 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete - I like the Simpsons, but sometimes you can go too far. Too much Simpson cruft on here anyway. --MacRusgail 20:08, 26 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep - This article is an invaluable source of information for anybody trying to locate a Simpsons episode with a particular theme. It is very detailed and accurate as well as being a list that's unique to the web, as far as I know. -- Kaizersoze 20:28, 26 October 2005 (UTC) (creator of article)[reply]
Ammendment - I also believe that with the 350+ individual articles on Simpsons episodes, there should be an article categorizing them, and this seems like the best way. The only other option I see would be to create categories for every theme ("Homer themed Simpsons episodes" category, "Marge themed Simpsons episodes" category, "Vacation themed Simpsons episodes" category, etc.) - Kaizersoze 20:45, 26 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
There is an ongoing discussion about whether all lists of TV series are worthy/relevant enough to be included in Wikipedia at the moment, this might interest you: Wikipedia:Centralized discussion/Television episodes --zerofoks 20:57, 26 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I think in all due fairness to the AfD etiquette it should be stated that you are the creator of the article in question. --zerofoks 20:37, 26 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment - Heh. If you're the creator, Kaizersoze, nice job, but why not just put it on a fansite or something? You're right that it's unique to the web, but Wikipedia is not a haven for rogue sites. Just submit it to SNPP or something. Devotchka 20:44, 26 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete (originallyWeak Keep) - This is a great list but would be more suited to a fansite, not Wikipedia. On the other hand, if it can't be found anywhere else, I'm not sure we should delete it yet. Devotchka 20:32, 26 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Comment -I wouldn't have nominated if I thought it could be expanded to something useful. Besides, letting it stay justifies other articles of the same kin to have their place here (List of StarTrek episodes by theme? List of Seinfeld episodes by theme?) --zerofoks 20:37, 26 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Another Comment - As for other places where this could be listed, there are Simpsons Wikis out there for this. My point was that Wikipedia is supposed to be an encyclopedia, as a collection of knowledge, not a pure data bin. --zerofoks 20:42, 26 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I think it could be saved pretty easily to one of the many wikis for the Simpsons. The formatting isn't anything difficult to migrate. If anyone is interested in this thing, I'd suggest to make copies of this article elsewhere online, no matter whether the vote goes delete or keep. --zerofoks 00:20, 27 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I wouldn't object to deleting the Simpsons episode articles, as well. --Carnildo 00:03, 27 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Just zis Guy, you know?, too many themes. feydey 00:35, 27 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep Seriously. This is one of the interesting pages that makes Wikipedia such a fun place to visit.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.6.208.139 (talk • contribs)
  • Delete, add it to one of the indie SimpsonsWikis. Andrew Levine 01:11, 27 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep Most people voting for 'Delete' on this page are not huge Simpsons fans. Take 'Carnildo' who posted 'I wouldn't object to deleting the Simpsons episode articles, as well'. Said opinions should be disregarded, as they are from sources whom wouldn't appreciate any article of 'The Simpsons'. The fact is, this article is an organised, and very useful summary of Simpsons episodes which is user friendly, and is great for reference, which is what Wikipedia is all about. 195.93.21.39 18:03, 27 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • "Most people voting for 'Delete' on this page are not huge Simpsons fans"? I'm a card-carrying member in good standing of alt.nerd.obsessive, but I voted for deletion because this Wikipedia is not the place for an arbitrary taxonomy of Simpsons episodes. Andrew Levine 17:22, 27 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep As others have said, this article is an invaluable source of information. Scott.
  • Comment: Because the two (!) users above have not done this, I want to state that the Afd etiquette states: Sign any recommendation or comment you add, by adding this at the end: ~~~~. Also, my argument was about Wikipedia's status as an encyclopedia, a collection of knowledge, not any fan data anybody could possibly think of. I am a big Simspons fan myself (earlier seasons), but that does not change the validity of the one major WP:WWINs I listed in my initial post: Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. There has got to be a reasonable border between what is general useful and interesting knowledge and simply information for diehard fans - otherwise Wikipedia will welcome all data bins one that can possibly be come up with. --zerofoks 14:26, 27 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep Keep this. I've done articles before on my site but this is ingenious

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.68.123.54 (talk • contribs)

  • Comment: The information IS useful. At 350+ episodes, your average user wouldn't know where to BEGIN to search for a specific episode. With thematic divide, they can easily search for a particular episode via the sub-categories. It saves a lot of time for any user, and it is the type of thing many internet users would expect they could use Wikipedia for. Because it makes life much easier. Wikipedia is all about organised information, and this is exactly what this page is. Such a huge topic as 'The Simpsons' really does require this level of organisation, otherwise any other information becomes much less useful. 195.93.21.39 18:03, 27 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment: Sure it is useful - somehow. Any type of information can be useful to someone (I doubt this article is useful to the average user, though). But is this encyclopedic? It has been pointed out that there are other, better places for this type of fan-info on the web. Sorting out rather unencyclopedic or very specific types of data to other wikimedia projects or other wiki communities has been a generally accepted and successful policy on Wikipedia so far. Letting this article stay will only help to allow other types of extreme "fancruft" to enter Wikipedia - and there is no reason that would detain anyone from saving this article to a more appropriate place on the web. But I am repeating myself....--zerofoks 18:56, 27 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep: extremely informative, what with all the different themes in the show. I've never seen a list like this on any fansites, yet it is helpful. Squidward2602 09:59, 28 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep my knee-jerk reaction was delete, but I looked at the list and it was good. Its actually interesting and informative, and maintainable. Roodog2k (Hello there!) 20:12, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I'm a Simpsons fan, but this is getting ridiculous. --Calton | Talk 00:13, 31 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep I am not a Simpson fan, however this list is not easy to find. At least this page was useful for me. -- mymus 02:12, 31 October 2005 (UTC)


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