Wikipedia:AMA Requests for Assistance/Requests/October 2006/Mujeerkan

Wikipedian filing request:

Mujeerkhan (talk · contribs)

Other Wikipedians this pertains to:

Hkelkar (talk · contribs)

Wikipedia pages this pertains to:

Tipu Sultan (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Questions:

Have you read the AMA FAQ?

Answer:Yes

How would you describe the nature of this dispute? (policy violation, content dispute, personal attack, other)

Answer: content dispute, personal attack, other

What methods of Dispute Resolution have you tried so far? If you can, please provide wikilinks so that the Advocate looking over this case can see what you have done.

Answer:Discussion in Talk Page has failed despite my position being wholly or partially supported by several users. Bogus complaints and personal attacks have resulted such as racial, relegious. discussed with other users to be civil in the discussion and discussed with another user to stop editing contributing to 3 trier rule.See my talk page User_talk:Mujeerkhan or Talk:Tipu Sultan.

What do you expect to get from Advocacy?

Answer:Some objective perspective as to the edit war presently going on and hopefully more experienced users could convince the fundamentalist (IMHO) and extremist elements from keeping their jingiosm off wikipedia and/or provide a solution acceptable to all.Personally I am happy to cooperate with any objective mediators and to take suitable action against User:Hkelkar for charges against personal attacks, edits, racial and hurting relegious sentiments.

Note:This "request" is a copy-paste + POV'ise-a-little hack job of the original request filed by me on Wikipedia:AMA Requests for Assistance/Requests/September 2006/Hkelkar. This has been done by the opponent user in order to attempt a POV-fork.Since my request predated his I suggest deletion of this project page and/or merging with mine.Hkelkar 16:27, 5 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Summary:

The issue is as follows. Tipu Sultan was the name of a Indian ruler in the Kingdom of Mysore in Southern India in the 18th Century.He is regarded as a "patriot" for resisting (but ultimately failing to prevent) British colonial incursions into the area. Some users have made making ethnic/religious attacks against me and user User:Hkelkar ( as discussed in in the article) who has made statements like Islamic Thinkers Society which has links to terrorism, I tired to explain that this reference was [[1]] which i can say its similar to alzajeera but worth to be referred and [[2]] which is clearly indian website on human rights in India and when i tried to link this references to his references like [[3]] and [[4]] which both spread fundamentalist, extremist ideas that leads to communal hatred in india and when i tried to say that if the references stated by the other user is fundamentalist then why not yours, he said " Remove my verifiable edits and that is vandalism" and user TerryJ-Ho was against this idea.He also said that "entire countries in the muslim world that massacre non-muslims and spread hate against them" and user Mysorebhai warned him in this regard and User:Hkelkar"The fact remains that every single thing that I said was correct" . When i tired to make corrections in the articles which where edited by other/previous users which was not related to the "conflict" of the article, he remarked my efforts as "rubbish" and user Naziakhanum tired to explain her remarks were not answered by User:Hkelkar. For time there was a good discussion between both of us and suddenly he again showed his colours. when Shezaad786 tried to put up facts User:Hkelkar again said "nationalist/religious jingoism hard at work"

His other comments were

"but here we have a particularly nasty breed of localized Islamist tribalism at work" "mohammedian" term is a direct insult to muslims as they are followers of Allah and regard mohamad as a messenger. "fundamentalist nutbags reverted it anyway"

All these show he has acted in a racial, extremist, immoral, uncivil, hurting other relegious sentiments.

Talk page. in the article is where he is mentioned as a "Patriot","Linguist" and a "Freedom Fighter" .

He was a "linguist" [[5]](he was the monarch of a vast area of land and relatively significant kingdom)[[6]]

he is a "patriot" [[7]] is a indian post website which clearly shows and says "Tipu Sultan patriot" this was termed as partisan by User:Hkelkar

The term "Freedom Fighter" [[8]] clearly depicts him as the first freedom fighter of india.

All these terms were argued when there was credible evidence that linked the above terms to tipu. But at present this is not shown in the article as some user has edited them

Lastly, i had also given credible information on rocketry where tipu is mentioned as "perfected" for serious purposes [[9]] which is an indian defence website and The Indian President remarks on tipu [[10]]

This is from a leading indian newspaper which says tipu "fathered" rocketry [[11]], indian newspaper where the indian President wanted to know how tipu built the rocket [[12]] , indian newspaper [[13]]

On the issue of relegious tolerance and anti kannada there were a number of articles, website which were credible were also disapproved by other members which are mentioned and discussed Talk:Tipu Sultan I tired to "turn away" from some time but to no avail, i tried to warn him of edits which amounted to more than 3-4 a day. tried to negiotiate matters with him and also conflits between him and other members. If you have a clear look in the discussion you can find out that a reasonable members were against his ideas. There is a user vikramji who is a sock puppet of Vgowda as claimed by srs

Inspite of all the proff, articles which I/users have put forth were rejected by User:Hkelkar all the above inspite that the articles are from defence, newspapers, government website. The picture clearly shows that he wants to run the article on his own terms despite other members appeals.Also he does not take positive points from a point of view but insist to make rather all statements on negative terms.

Discussion:

I've removed a speedy deletion tag for this request - I don't think it neccessary, and this page certainly does not merit deletion under WP:CSD. M a rtinp23 20:47, 5 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Case Status: closed

Advocate Status:

Closed, the case was handeled by Martinp23 through Wikipedia:AMA Requests for Assistance/Requests/September 2006/Hkelkar. Also see User:Martinp23/Desk/Archive/Three. -Royalguard11(Talk·Desk) 20:49, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]