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I'm nominating this group of articles on a class of monitors because they meet the criteria.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 18:09, 29 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • I have a serious question: why do these ships deserve their own separate articles? I am no naval expert, but most of these ships don't seem to have a large impact, so I am pretty sure most of the information in the subarticles can actually be condensed into the class article. Also, the table in the main article does not link the ships themselves. Nergaal (talk) 01:16, 30 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • Good catch on the lack of table links. Haven't we had this conversation before? The individual ships meet WP:GNG and WP:SHIPS holds that any commissioned warship is inherently notable. You may not like it, but consensus is against you.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 01:36, 30 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      • Don't get me wrong. I love ship topics, and I was the first one to nominate ship topics to GTC a long time ago. My issue is how low is the bar set for a ship. As an outsider, monitors seems to be a relatively obscure class of ships (not like say submarines). A good question would be what does commissioning mean in laymen's terms? Is a 20 meter personal yacht commissioned and therefore notable? If not, about how many ships have there been commissioned worldwide? I almost want to say that having the bar set so low would be equivalent to having an article on every chemical that is commercially available from the large chemical companies (which would be in the 10k's). Nergaal (talk) 04:14, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        • Oh, I think that we got them chemists beat hands down, especially once you get into the merchant shipping. Just in warships alone, lessee, 530 battleships and battlecruisers, not much less in the number of aircraft and seaplane carriers, probably 2,000 cruisers, 5,000 destroyers, 4,000 submarines, all since 1890 or so and not even counting the 10,000+ destroyer escorts, corvettes, torpedo boats, and patrol craft. Couple hundred ironclads, plus lots and lots of early steam warships, plus thousands of sailing warships. And that commissioned for the duration 20-meter yacht, you bet, provided, of course, that you can actually find some info on it. Which, of course, is the real issue since so much documentation hasn't survived.
        • Somebody bothered to transcribe a bunch of DANFS entries for the ad hoc patrol ships that the US commissioned during WWI. Personally, I thought that was a waste of time, but what the hell; it's not like there's a limited amount of room on the servers. Practically speaking, the lack of info on the little boys will limit article creation. If you want to argue for a higher bar, feel free to make your case over at WP:SHIPS.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 05:18, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        • A "20 meter personal yacht" is never commissioned - in layman's terms "commissioning" is the point at which a military vessel has been accepted for service by a national military force. Although the term "commissioning" is sometimes used in regard to large merchantmen, sensu stricto (and in the sense that it applies to notability) it is only applicable to military vessels. - The Bushranger One ping only 13:36, 18 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]