Wikipedia:Featured and good topic removal candidates/Wilco albums/archive1
Wilco discography[edit]
I am nominating this topic for removal because it does not include all of Wilco's albums, with Mermaid Avenue and Mermaid Avenue Vol. II notably absent. These albums had previously unheard lyrics by Woody Guthrie, put to music written and performed by Billy Bragg and Wilco jointly. As such they are not standard studio albums, but they are still indisputably Wilco albums, and furthermore are listed as such at Wilco discography#Albums. Additionally the first of the pair outsold 4 of the 7 albums that are in the topic (there are no sales figures given for the second), so the albums are certainly notable as well. I expressed my concerns to Teemu08 about this gap almost a month ago, and got no response, so have now decided to bring the topic here - rst20xx (talk) 23:31, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
- Often times when one list albums, one only includes studio albums. Live and compilation albums are often considered "Other". I think if the topic includes all studio albums it is pretty complete. For most popular bands including all albums would blow up the album count beyond a reasonable topic size. Wilco is still young, but if we want to keep this topic manageable we should probably only include studio albums. This would be a good precedent for topics in general if it has not been brought up before.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 06:19, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
- Firstly, this topic already includes Wilco's live album. Secondly, this is a precedent that has been established before, the precedent being "include all albums", and this precedent is one that every other "albums" topic adheres to - note that M.I.A. albums includes a mixtape jointly credited to Diplo, and Powderfinger albums includes a live album and a best of album. Thirdly, in the band's first 15 years they have released 10 albums of any fashion. Topics are generally considered to be too big if they have over about 30 articles. At this rate of growth, this topic will not become too big until about 2039. I do not think we need to worry about this. (And at any rate, if we do come across a band/artist with too many albums, it can then be broken up into multiple topics at that stage, but there is no reason at all to do so otherwise) - rst20xx (talk) 10:07, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
- I was unfamiliar with the precedent.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 17:48, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
- Firstly, this topic already includes Wilco's live album. Secondly, this is a precedent that has been established before, the precedent being "include all albums", and this precedent is one that every other "albums" topic adheres to - note that M.I.A. albums includes a mixtape jointly credited to Diplo, and Powderfinger albums includes a live album and a best of album. Thirdly, in the band's first 15 years they have released 10 albums of any fashion. Topics are generally considered to be too big if they have over about 30 articles. At this rate of growth, this topic will not become too big until about 2039. I do not think we need to worry about this. (And at any rate, if we do come across a band/artist with too many albums, it can then be broken up into multiple topics at that stage, but there is no reason at all to do so otherwise) - rst20xx (talk) 10:07, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
- Agree with Delisting. "Albums" should include any and all recordings larger than EPs. And since the topic's main article is Wilco discography one could argue that any EPs notable enough for articles should be included. (But I'm not making my !vote based on that.) —Goodtimber (walk/talk) 06:10, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
- Using a discograpgy FL for an albums topic, while exluding EPs and singles, is one thing; but all the studio albums should be included at minimum. Unforunately for this topic, i agree that this includes the collaborative albums, as they are important parts of Wilco's discography (not just a track donated to a compilation, or a guest appearance) so delistYobMod 13:07, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
- Closing as consensus to demote. A lot of work has gone into it, but consensus for album topics is to include all studio albums at least, and no arguments are given as to why 2 of wilco's studio albums are not included here.YobMod 20:22, 11 June 2009 (UTC)