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Wolf

This is a comprehensive article on the Grey Wolf. It has recently been through a peer review, where it was received positively with helpful notes for improvement of the article. The images shouldn't be any problem, and I think the ones that are claimed under fair use have justifiable reasoning. This is a self nomination. Sango 123 20:39, August 24, 2005 (UTC)

Support--very informative and fascinating. I especially liked the skilled use of images. Meelar (talk) 20:53, August 24, 2005 (UTC)
Support: Very nice article: scientific, well-written, and it covers a broad range of topics. I'd personally like to see and expanded folklore/mythology section — or perhaps a link to a wolf (mythology) page as there is so much history there — but beyond that minor qualm it's an incredible article. Grat incorporation of multiple forms of media as well (images, charts, maps, and even sound!) Semiconscious (talk · home) 21:17, 24 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Support Love it. Plenty of hard work put in and I hope it pays off. --PopUpPirate 22:02, August 24, 2005 (UTC)
Support Well written article. Great pictures. I like it a lot. --ZeWrestler ^Talk 22:04, 24 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Support Great Article that gives a thorough description of the wolf to the reader. Magicmonster 22:30, 24 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Support excellent Tuf-Kat 23:06, August 24, 2005 (UTC)
Object only to title. The article should be title "Grey Wolf." The text can/should identify the species as the one most commonly referred to simply as "wolf," but the one-word title should go to a page taxonomizing the various species (which can be relatively brief). Monicasdude 23:17, 24 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: Sorry, but shouldn't it be Gray Wolf, and not "Grey" Wolf, esp. as the wolf populations are primarily in the US and Canada? ("Grey" is one of the more irritating of the unconscious Anglicisms by Americans.) Geogre 02:50, 25 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep title as it is. (common usage) =Nichalp «Talk»= 12:05, August 25, 2005 (UTC)
- Nope, I agree, the title as it is is misleading. Articles should stay true to their topic. "Wolf" should be a general article about all wolves (or a disambig) and Gray Wolf should be the article about that specific wolf. - Taxman ^Talk 21:43, August 25, 2005 (UTC)
- If no one opposes this suggestion, I'll move Wolf to Gray Wolf and turn the first into a (disambig?) page taxonomizing the different species. Sango123 23:08, August 25, 2005 (UTC)
  - Suggestion: Why not move wolf to Timber Wolf to avoid issues over the spelling of grey? Other than that, I support. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 20:03, 26 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Object. The images Image:Wolf-Pack.jpg and Image:HowlingGreyWolf.gif are used under "fair use". However, I see no reason to use "fair use" images on this article: the images may be of hard-to-photograph events, but they're hardly unique. You should be able to find public-domain replacements from US government websites. --Carnildo 23:28, 24 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- I replaced the HowlingGreyWolf.gif with Image:Wolf howling on glacial erratic.jpg. Its not a close up like the previous one was, but its in the pd. Do you guys agree with it? --ZeWrestler ^Talk 12:36, 25 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  - Yes, it's even better than the one it supplanted. Sango 123 23:08, August 25, 2005 (UTC)
- I've also found this picture of a wolf pack. The only reason I have not replaced the current image with the new one, (besides the fact i like the old one better even though its fair use), is because the website that is listed here on wikipedia is warned to have some copyrighted images uploaded in the guise of pd images. So, if this picture were to replace the otherone, its status would have to be varified. Added note, if the fairuse rationale were improved on the current wolfpack image, i would see no problem using one fairuse picture in this article.--ZeWrestler ^Talk 12:56, 25 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  - The image has been listed on Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. [1] Sango 123 01:16, August 26, 2005 (UTC)
  - How about this one? It's a National Park Service photo of a pack of wolves going after a bison. If you don't like that one, the NPS has quite a collection of wolf images at [2]: you might be able to find something suitable. --Carnildo 19:17, 25 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    - That's an excellent photo; it demonstrates both the wolf pack and hunting. I'll look through the collection (thanks for the link). Sango123 23:08, August 25, 2005 (UTC)
      - I've uploaded the photo and placed it in the article; Image:Wolf-Pack.jpg is now on WP:IFD. Sango 123 01:16, August 26, 2005 (UTC)
- Support. Looks good. --Carnildo 06:10, 26 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Support =Nichalp «Talk»= 18:01, August 25, 2005 (UTC)
Support excellent article which will serve as a great example for future featured article candidates. Really good read also. — Stevey7788 (talk) 01:11, 26 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Strong super extreme support of doom. No reason not to. Plus, who doesn't like wolves? (/me gets spammed with forty people who hate wolves) Redwolf24 (talk) 02:42, 26 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Object. Needs more discussion of wolf subspecies. Neutrality^talk 04:47, August 26, 2005 (UTC)
Support if moved to Gray wolf, and wolf turned into a disambig page pointing to all the species of wolf, as well as other meanings of the word. Great article! WegianWarrior 05:08, 26 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Would prefer it moved to Gray wolf but I'd support it anyway. Fieari 05:39, August 26, 2005 (UTC)
Support. More than complete - pictures, maps, audiofiles, text. Just about every thing covered though I agree with Neutrality - more on subspecies. I also agree with Fieari's suggestion it should be moved to "Grey Wolf", then "Wolf" could grow as a general article to cover Grey, Red, Dire and Ethiopian. --Oldak Quill 09:37, 26 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Support - very impressive! Rossrs 09:49, 26 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Object, (sorry) the naming issue needs to be cleared up, I think that wolf should redirect to the Genus Canis which is already a wolf species disambig and this page should should be moved to Grey/Gray Wolf.--nixie 05:32, 29 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I've gone ahead and moved wolf to Gray wolf (I used gray because that's what the article uses) →Raul654 22:46, August 29, 2005 (UTC)

Addendum (for the sake of completeness) - after rechecking the article, I saw it was inconsistent, using gray in some cases and grey in others. This is unacceptable for a featured article, so I've gone ahead and changed all instances to from grey to gray (sans one external link that wouldn't work if the URL were changed). →Raul654 23:00, August 29, 2005 (UTC)