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The list was promoted by Scorpion0422 22:19, 4 April 2009 [1].

List of BBC Sports Personality of the Year awards[edit]

Nominator(s): Rambo's Revenge (How am I doing?)
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7th and penultimate list in my SPoTY topic. I wasn't originally sure how to structure this list, but I think I reached a good format, and the other set of eyes I got to look at it agreed. WikiCup entry, thanks in advance for all comments. Rambo's Revenge (How am I doing?) 18:05, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment Could the current awards section be adapted into a table like NHL awards? -- Scorpion0422 18:09, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • I have done this. I personally think it looks worse, but take a look and see what you think. Rambo's Revenge (How am I doing?) 18:39, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Well, this page is supposed to summarize the topic and just having a simple list really does not do that. You can re-format it any way you like, I just thought that more information should be given. -- Scorpion0422 18:53, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Truco
Lead
  • Over the years a number of additional awards have been introduced and, as of 2008[update], there are seven other awards which are presented. // The comma should come before the and -Done
  • In 1999, three new awards were introduced; the Helen Rollason Award, the Coach Award, and the Newcomer Award which was renamed Young Sports Personality of the Year in 2001. // (1)The semi-colon should be a colon (2) Comma before which -Done
  • In addition to the yearly awards, some other awards have been sporadically in the past. // Add awarded or presented before sporadically -Done
  • Special Achievement Awards have been presented on four occasions; twice to jockey Lester Piggott in 1984 and 1994,[4] once to disabled marathon runner Dennis Moore in 1981, and once to comedian David Walliams in 2006. // The semi-colon should be a colon -Done
  • Sebastian Coe who picked up a Special Gold Award in 2005 for his work in obtaining the 2012 Olympics. // Remove who -Done
  • Five awards have only been presented once; the Manager of the Year Award in 1969, the Special Team Award in 1986, the Good Sport Awards in 1990, the International Team Award in 1983, and the Sports Personality of the Century Award on 1999. // The semi-colon should be a colon -Done (I'll learn!)
Defunct awards
  • In 1986, an award was presented to the British 4 x 400m squad of Derek Redmond, Kriss Akabusi, Brian Whittle, Roger Black, Todd Bennett, and Phil Brown, who won gold in the at the European Championships. // Remove the at -Fixed (but not how you suggested)
  • Aitken-Walker and co-driver Thörner crashed off a cliff into a lake in Portugal when competing in the women's World Rally Championship—despite this they went on to win the championship that year. // Comma after this -Done
  • In the lead up to anniversary show on 14 December 2003, a series of five half-hour special programmes, entitled Simply The Best – Sports Personality, were shown. // Instead of shown how about broadcast? -Done
  • References look fine.--Best, ₮RUCӨ 23:51, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the comments, I believe I have addressed all those points. Rambo's Revenge (How am I doing?) 00:01, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support -- Previous issues resolved to meet WP:WIAFL standards. Good work.--Best, ₮RUCӨ 00:34, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Struway2 (talk) 12:14, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Lead. I wouldn't link "sporadically" to wiktionary. It's a plain English word, not a technical term. If you really think people won't understand it, maybe replace "sporadically in the past" with "from time to time". -Done
  • I know it's difficult to avoid repetition in this sort of list article, but the lead contains thirteen occurrences of "award" in the bluelinks plus another ten in the ordinary prose.
  • I might say "England's 1966 World Cup-winning football team" rather than "the English". -Done
  • Current awards section. Don't see the point of making it sortable, but that's just personal taste.
    • Not done, just because it doesn't take anything away from the table. However if someone felt strongly enough to change it I wouldn't revert. Rambo's Revenge (How am I doing?) 14:38, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why do some of the awards have the word "Award" as part of the article name and some not? probably what I'm asking is, is it the BBC's inconsistency or Wikipedia's?
  • Years would look better centred, as they are in the later tables. -Done
  • Descriptions, I would argue, shouldn't have full stops (periods) at the end, because they're sentence fragments, not complete sentences (the same as we do with image captions) -Done
  • Unsung hero award is for a volunteer, not (necessarily) a sportsperson. According to the link at the top of the column it's for someone who "has given their time and talents for free to enable others to participate in sport". -Done
  • Defunct awards section. Flags. Per MOS:ICON#Accompany flags with country names, flags should always be accompanied by country name on first use.
  • Leeds United is called Leeds United A.F.C., not F.C. -Done
  • I'd prefer to word Piggott's achievement "a record-breaking 28th British classic win", (classic uncapitalised) and then wikilink "British classic" to British Classic Races. -Done
  • Sports Personality of the Century. One-off should be hyphenated, and Pelé should have an accent. -Done
  • Special Gold Award. The first sentence is a touch repetitive... -Done
  • 50th Anniversary awards. "In the lead up to the anniversary show" -Done
  • Golden Sports Personality of the Year. Perhaps mention that the eventual shortlist included two from the most recent decade and no-one from the first decade of the award, which isn't necessarily obvious just from the list of names. -Done
  • Team of the Decades. If it's Sir Bobby Robson, it should be Sir Bobby Charlton as well (Charlton received his knighthood years before Robson). -Done, no Sir for either.
  • References. Seems very odd putting work=BBC Press Office in the cite-web. I'd have thought publisher=BBC would be enough, or else use {{cite press release}}.

cheers, Struway2 (talk) 13:18, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your comments, I believe I have addressed all your concerns, Rambo's Revenge (How am I doing?) 15:20, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed. Your copyediting of the lead section has much improved it. One thing in the tables, where you've added a column for the flag and country name: (on my browser/screen at least) the column is very narrow, only wide enough for the flag, so that the country code wraps to a second line, which makes it look messy. Don't know if it's to do with the way you've tried to fix the column widths, or what. If it doesn't look like that for you, I could do a screenshot. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 15:28, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
This seemed to be an issue between different browsers. Hopefully it has now been resolved. Let me know if it hasn't. Rambo's Revenge (How am I doing?) 16:04, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Fine for me now, cheers, Struway2 (talk) 16:06, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support interesting list, seems to satisfy criteria, whatever they are these days ;-) Well done, cheers, Struway2 (talk) 12:14, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Giants2008
Comments -
  • "Sebastian Coe picked up a Special Gold Award in 2005 for his work in obtaining the 2012 Olympics." Might want to say that Coe was working on behalf of Britain. It currently reads like the Olympics are his property. -Reworded
  • "and the Sports Personality of the Century Award on 1999." Why "on" instead of "in"? -Fixed typo.
  • The Sports Personality of the Year link in the second paragraph is a duplicate. -Unlinked
  • A link to the 1966 FIFA World Cup would be nice in the last sentence. -Done
  • Special Achievement Award: Capitalize Classic in "British classic"? And did you decide not to do sorting for this table?
    • I did not capitalise "classic" see comment by Struway above. I added sorting, although it isn't required as every single column is (by coincidence) already in it's sortable order. Rambo's Revenge (How am I doing?) 11:20, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Re Classic/classic, I've just had a quick look at literate (broadsheet) English sources and the capitalisation seems to be optional. Years ago it wouldn't have had a capital, today it often does. Do what you prefer, in that case :-) cheers, Struway2 (talk) 11:58, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Special Gold Award: Remove comma after Sebastian Coe. -Done
  • Golden Sports Personality of the Year: "winner Redgrave and footballer David Beckham." Is "winner" meant to be rower? -Fixed
  • Team of the Decades: Comma after Bobby Charlton. -Done

Giants2008 (17-14) 00:44, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I believe I have addressed all your comments. Rambo's Revenge (How am I doing?) 11:20, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Nice list overall. Good job with this one and the others in the series. Giants2008 (17-14) 23:06, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 01:30, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)
Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)
  • "awards ceremony which takes place annually"-->awards ceremony that takes place annually
  • "it originally consisted of just one titular award."
  • "Over the years a number of additional awards have been introduced, and as of 2008, there are seven others which are presented."-->Several new awards have been introduced, and as of 2008, seven awards are presented.
  • "which was renamed Young Sports Personality of the Year " Add "to" after "renamed".
  • "In addition to these, some other awards have been presented sporadically in the past."
  • "Five awards have only been presented once"
  • "1966 FIFA World Cup-winning football team were chosen" "were"-->was, we are referring to a single entity here so BritEng doesn't count here.
  • "Lester Piggott won an award in 1984 to recognise his achievements to date. These included winning the St. Leger Stakes on Commanche Run that year, which gave Piggott a record-breaking 28th British classic win."-->Lester Piggott won an award in 1984 for his achievements, including winning the St. Leger Stakes on Commanche Run that year, Piggott's record-breaking 28th British classic win.
  • "than the other contenders of George Best, Pelé, Donald Bradman, Jack Nicklaus, and Jesse Owens put together."-->than the combined total of George Best, Pelé, Donald Bradman, Jack Nicklaus, and Jesse Owens.
  • "who went on to win the award"-->who won the award
  • Somehow, I'm bothered by the absence of the names of the defunct awards in their describing paragraphs. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:50, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I have done everything you suggested, except the last point which I wish to discuss first. I am happy to add the "award names" to the paragraphs, but feel I should point out something first. I have watched many a (boring) hour of Sports Personality to help make this list, and many of the defunct award names are currently not stated for a reason. For example, when the "International Team Award" was presented it was not given such an explicit name in the show. These awards were generally described as "we have a special award tonight to recognise" and the like. I think that many of the award were names were given after the event and have just been invented by the Beeb as a way of categorising these extra awards[4]. That said though, the BBC has given them these names (regardless of whether it was after the event) and if you still want me too I would be happy to add them in. Just let me know. As always thanks for the review. Rambo's Revenge (How am I doing?) 00:26, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'd like if they were in; if necessary, add footnotes about when the names were actually given. Dabomb87 (talk) 01:04, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I have added the names to the prose sections but won't be able to do anything like your suggestion of footnotes because I have no idea when the names were actually given. That 2007 press release is the only documentation I know of listing those awards. Rambo's Revenge (How am I doing?) 01:15, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:50, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from SRE.K.A.L.24

Comments from -- SRE.K.A.L.24[c]

-- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith 23:45, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from -- SRE.K.A.L.24[c] (continued)

-- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith 06:10, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for those comments, Rambo's Revenge (How am I doing?) 17:18, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Nice job on the article. One more to go I'm guessing... -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith 15:38, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Mild oppose
    • Brit Eng I suspect should be used here - recognize should be recognise. Check for others please!
    • Don't like the fact that tables without images next to them resize and are different in column width from those with images.
    • I think this should also cover those times when the actual winner is disqualified due to vote rigging, such as Justin Fashanu.
  • The Rambling Man (talk) 22:24, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Damn, I just promoted this one. I'll re-list it for now. -- Scorpion0422 22:33, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Unfortunately, Rambo will be gone for a while. I fixed the BrEng issue, and am checking for more. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:55, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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