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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by Scorpion0422 00:45, 18 February 2009 [1].

List of Popotan episodes

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previous FLC (23:14, 20 January 2009) Rambo's Revenge notified


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I have addressed all the issues that caused the list to fail last time including copyediting and finding sources that were requested.じんない 19:14, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)
Weak oppose from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs) Still not there prosewise. Ask User:Malleus Fatuorum to copy-edit, he is an excellent wordsmith.
  • "Popotan is a 2003 Japanese" First of all, "Popotan" should be in italics. Second, it should be linked to the appropriate article.
  • "which are referred to as "popotan""
  • "Twelve episodes were produced, which originally aired aired"-->Twelve episodes were produced. They originally aired...
  • "and was also made available"-->and were also made available
  • "The anime was released on Japanese DVD by Bandai Visual, in six discs of two episodes each." No comma necessary.
  • "Unbeknownst" Unnecessarily archaic, chop off the last two letters.
  • "After hearing Daichi spreading a rumor that the mansion" "spreading"-->spread.
  • "The episode concludes with Daichi waking up to find himself lying"-->In the episode's conclusion, Daichi wakes up, finding himself lying
  • "Mai, who has never liked the journey through time, has been depressed for some time by the constant loss"
  • "she resolves this time to aggressively keep"
  • "because it's " No contractions.
  • "Mii goes around town trying, with varying degrees of success, to help" Is there a more descriptive verb than "goes"? These examples were picked out without much effort, there is much more that can be fixed. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:59, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done. I do not know what to say since I found someone in PRV who was suppose to be good at copyediting.じんない 01:43, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Did you ask Malleus? Dabomb87 (talk) 01:58, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. It appears he's done some minor cleanup in addition to your suggestions for the lead. Nothing serious.じんない 02:00, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
We have a bit of time. If he doesn't do any more, I will try to find time. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:01, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like he may do more over the weekend.じんない 02:44, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Since work is ongoing, I will strike my oppose for now. Dabomb87 (talk) 03:07, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I wouldn't myself call it "minor cleanup"; it's not always easy to find the right words, or the right way to express an idea. Anyway, I've now done what I can without kmowing anything at all about this series. --Malleus Fatuorum 22:01, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I have tried to help with a few of these anime/manga articles now, despite it not being something I have even the slightest interest in, but I am not some tool to be deployed. I have interests of my own, which must take precedence. Copyediting is a difficult and thankless task at the best of times. --Malleus Fatuorum 22:35, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well I for one am thankful because I know I'm poor at best when it comes to copyediting other articles.じんない 22:41, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Good work Malleus. I will try not to refer anybody else to you in the near future :) Dabomb87 (talk) 23:38, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 01:14, 11 February 2009 (UTC) Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 01:14, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Rambo's Revenge (talk · contribs)

This list had definately improved from last time, however I still have some issues with it and so will not support just yet.

  • "Between December 12, 2004 and March 22, 2005, it produced three DVDs each with four episodes.[17][18] A final box set was released on August 14, 2007, shortly before Geneon's demise.[18] Unlike the Japanese DVD releases, the English ones had no promotional content." The whole of this part is currently referenced only my refs 17 & 18 which (per previous FLC & WP:ANIME) are not considered reliable. I don't know what exactly parts are being referenced but this source might possibly help.
    • The episode numbers I cited from the dvd back cover. It's the release dates that are the problem because I cannot seem to find any press releases except on the 2nd DVD nor any coverage about the release dates except ANN for English market. I'm not sure where to look for the release dates for the 1st and 3rd DVD that would meet WP:RS.じんない 01:15, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Actually would Target Target #2 be considered a reliable for the release date?じんない 01:31, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • I would consider it much more reliable. The fact that target.com has different DVD release dates from the list currently also strengthens my case for not using ANN. However the box set release date, "shortly before Geneon's demise", and "English without promotion content" still need sources. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 15:44, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
          • I changes them to Target then. I will cite Geneon's demise statement later. Geneon's demise is cited. As for the "English without promotional content", i again ask you, how do you cite a negative? No one is going to say "This item doesn't come with promotional content." If it's a matter of just citing the DVDs themselves, i can do it with the appropriate template.じんない 17:57, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The general ref "Episode titles". Popotan (TV). Anime News Network. Retrieved on 27 October 2008. may be better suited to the external link section (due to its reliability).
  • "which features character designs by Haruka Sakurai based on the original concept by Akio Watanabe,[2][3] under the alias of Poyoyon Rock,[4][5]" No comma in the middle I think.

Rambo's Revenge (talk) 14:10, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

More comments
  • What is currently citing the original airdates?
  • Currently the seperate references 15 and 16 are the same website. Should this be the case?
    • That was wrong. I accidentally cited it incorrectly. I changed the statement and will correctly cite the statement later. I have cited 4/6 from Getchu. If you think that's not enough, you'll have to wait until after the convention for me to cite the last 2.じんない 17:57, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rambo's Revenge (talk) 15:44, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Even more for when you're back

Rambo's Revenge (talk) 10:42, 14 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Update on my stance

Right, it might be easier for you (and FL directors) if I summarise my thoughts on the above. Currently I'm going to have to oppose again. You have done some good work, and been prompt in addressing many of my concerns, however I still have one major objections which is:

  • Currently the all but one of the original airdates are not verifiable, you state the table is correct but that not good enough for WP:V (even if I believe you).

Sorry, but if this is not resolved I cannot support. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 10:27, 16 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • I believe you are putting undue weight on what WP:ANIME has said with reguard to airdates. That I was able to find at least verification for 1 air date and the fact that shows are done weekly should be considered WP:COMMON SENSE as i can't find anything to indicate that somehow Popotan was the 1 exception to the rule, I believe ANN does verify the information.じんない 19:21, 16 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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