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List of Sussex County Cricket Club grounds[edit]

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Nominator(s): Joseph2302 (talk) 11:14, 7 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I have undertaken a great deal of work to improve this list, and make it a more comprehensive description of the cricket grounds used by Sussex. I believe it meets all the FL criteria, and is of a similar than FLs about other counties' grounds (List of Derbyshire County Cricket Club grounds, List of Essex County Cricket Club grounds, List of Gloucestershire County Cricket Club grounds, List of Leicestershire County Cricket Club grounds, List of Somerset County Cricket Club grounds, and List of Warwickshire County Cricket Club grounds). Joseph2302 (talk) 11:14, 7 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The other lists you mention include First Class, List A and T20 matches, but there are no T20 matches on this list. Is there a reason for this? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:10, 8 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Only 2 grounds have hosted T20 matches (County Ground and Arundel). Also, some of the tables in the similar articles look messier because they're too long if you add T20 matches.
But I can definitely add them if people want. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:25, 8 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@ChrisTheDude: Added them. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:28, 8 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments
    • In the lead you say "Sussex's main ground was Royal Brunswick Ground" but then later refer to it as the Royal Brunswick Ground. Better to be consistent
    • "This venue has also has held a single" - think there's a stray extra word in there
    • "14 List A matches at Central Recreation Ground, Hastings" - think the word "the" is needed before Central
    • "After the ground was demolished in 1996–97,[9] Two List A Sussex matches" - no need for capital on The
    • "Eastbourne did not host any Sussex matches in 2001 [...] and have not played another first-class or List A dixture in Eastbourne since" - the subject of the sentence is Eastbourne, so you need to change "have not played", presumably to "Sussex have not played". Also, fixture is spelt wrongly.
    • "Between 1908 and 2015, Cricket Field Road Ground" - again, needs "the" before the name of the ground
    • Note g: "Excludes two matches where no play was possible, 39 matches played the South team" => played by the South team
    • Note j: "Excludes 16 matches where no play was possible" - write sixteen as a word to match the other notes
  • Cheers, ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:58, 2 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from —Vensatry (ping)
Oppose
  • Images need alt texts.
  • 'Since then, they have played first-class and List A cricket at 17 different grounds across the county.' What about T20?
  • 'This venue has also has held a One Day International between India and South Africa in the 1999 World Cup,[4] and was also the venue where Sussex claimed the 2003 and 2007 County Championships' Consider splitting the sentence into two.
  • Brighton & Hove -> Brighton and Hove
  • Avoid repetition of 'Sussex matches'
  • 'Arundel Castle Cricket Ground has hosted 27 first-class and 20 List A Sussex matches since 1998, as well as five T20 matches' The table tells that the venue has hosted first-class and List A matches since 1972.
  • 'In 2010, Unicorns hosted Sussex in a Clydesdale Bank 40 over match at Arundel- this is the only time that Sussex have been the away team for a match in Sussex' There's a punctuation error. Besides, the sentence looks very confusing.
  • 'the match against Surrey is notable for being one of the lowest aggregate scoring matches of all time' You mean for Sussex? The bit succeeding the sentence is not really notable enough to be mentioned in the lead.
  • You might want to link Victorian era.
  • ' Reginald Hankey hit the ball out of the ground twice,[21] and Charles Brampton took 12 wickets for the MCC, with first-innings figures of 6/18 from 33 4-ball overs. MCC won the match by 132 runs' Not sure if this is a lead material.
  • What's non first-class? You need to clarify that.
  • Try to accommodate the images (reserving one for the lead) in the table.
  • You need to tone down the ref. titles.

Comments/Fixes

  • I've shortened the lead overall, from 4160 characters to 2833 (a similar size to the FLs listed above). Mainly removed things not notable enough for lead, and lots of the info about grounds that hosted 1-2 matches.
  • I've also restructured to be like the other FLs, taking/adapting some of the common paragraphs from those articles.
  • Dealt with points 2 & 3 above; numbers 5, 7, 8, 9, 10 no longer apply since those sections were removed.
  • Images: Kept the County Ground, Hove, as it's the main stadium. Rest moved to the table.
  • Refs: Fixed the all capitals titles/ref names, and also filled in the refs lacking some of the information.
@Joseph2302: Nice fixes thus far. Pease add page nos. for PDF refs. Also, why is CricketArchive italicised in some refs? —Vensatry (Talk) 07:24, 29 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Vensatry: Added PDF ref page numbers, can't do it for this book since I don't own the book, and the preview doesn't give a page number. Also, unitalicised CricketArchive in refs. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:29, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - looks much better now. Given that the lead underwent a significant transformation, I'd like to know if ChrisTheDude is okay with the current version. —Vensatry (Talk) 08:58, 31 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • Sorry, I never noticed I was referenced here. Yes, I am fine with the current lead -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:29, 5 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - I might be a nobody to the "professional" editors out here (and my opinion might even be dismissed), but I like the list and I think that it has the potential to be one of the best lists produced in the encyclopedia.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a02:8108:30bf:b168:7511:5200:b7e9:564b (talk • contribs)
Comments from MPJ-US

Trying to drum up some reviews for my own Featured List Candidate (NWA World Historic Welterweight Championship) and I figured the best way to get it to give.

General comments
  • "mid eighteenth" should be "mid-eighteenth"
  • I don't believe you need the comma in "eighteenth century, and had"
  • "when the main ground was the Royal Brunswick" should it be "when theRoyal Brunswick Ground in Brunswick, Hove became the main ground"?
  • "proposed fixture" is the term "fixture" something specific in Cricket?
    • "Fixture" is not something specific to cricket, it is a general sporting term in British English. See the first definition at [2] -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:17, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Table specifics
  • It is a shame that the table is too wide for the standard resolution page, but unless the standard is changed completley I am not sure if that can be addressed?
  • "The Dipping Pan" should sort by "D" not "T"
  • "The Saffrons" should sort by "S" not "T"

Under "Twenty20" there is an issue with the sorting for matches, if I click it twice to have the highest number at the top it sorts "65", "0", "5"?

Source review
  • All look like reliable sources Green tickY
  • Formatting looks okay, has accessdates for all, no "date" since the source does not list it so that's all as expected Green tickY
  • Not really that many issues, it's a really good list right now, almost a Featured List.  MPJ-US  22:51, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • MPJ-DK I've fixed the table sort issues, and I can't fix that it's too wide (lots of tables on Wikipedia are). Changed the general comments, and "fixture" is used a lot in British English sports (to mean match/game), and is the term used in the source. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:20, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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