Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of World Rally Championship Drivers' Champions
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- The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.
The list was promoted by User:Scorpion0422 22:51, 13 December 2008 [1].
I am nominating this list for featured standard as I believe it fulfils the criteria. It is well-referenced, up to date and accurate. The tables are sortable and their are images used to illustrate the list. Thanks in advance or your comments. NapHit (talk) 15:52, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:52, 27 November 2008 (UTC) [reply]Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)
- "The World Rally Championship (WRC) is a rallying series administrated by Fédération Internationale de l'Automobile (FIA) motorsport's world governing body." Comma after (FIA).
- "Each season normally consists of 12 to 16 rallies driven on surfaces ranging from gravel and tarmac to snow and ice." "ranging"-->that range.
- "He also holds the record for the most championships won in a row winning his five titles from 2004 to 2008."-->He also holds the record for the most championships won in a row; he won five consecutive titles from 2004 to 2008.
- "Juha Kankkunen and Tommi Mäkinen are second having four championships each, with Mäkinen winning his four championships in a row from 1996 to 1999."-->Juha Kankkunen and Tommi Mäkinen are second with four championships each; Mäkinen won four championships in a row from 1996 to 1999.
- "Finland has produced the most champions with seven drivers winning 14 championships between them." Needs rewording to get rid of the with + -ing structure. Per MOSNUM, comparative quantities should be written out; 14-->fourteen or change seven-->7.
- "Drivers in Lancia and Citroën cars have won the most championships with five each." "in"-->of. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:16, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for the comments, they have all been addressed NapHit (talk) 23:33, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
This is a good list, and as a fan of WRC I'm pleased somebody has finally gotten around to doing it. I have just a couple of things.
- I sort of see this as a "sister" list to the FA List of Formula One World Drivers' Champions, but that one has more columns, such as "Team", "Fastest Laps", and "Clinched", which could possibly be recreated here with "Team" (or "Constructor"), "Fastest Leg" (or "Day"), Fastest Special stage (rallying), and "Clinched"
- I can't get reliable info a stage wins for a season so can't add this and clinched would not work as I can't link to all the races, but if this does not matter then I'll add that NapHit (talk) 16:49, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Would it be possible to add a "Co-Driver" column, or have some champions had more than one co-driver in a season?
- I think some drivers have had more than co-driver in a season NapHit (talk) 16:49, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "By constructor" table needs its heading correcting from "country" to "constructor"
- Done NapHit (talk) 16:49, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The constructors don't link to constructors, but car manufacturers. Shouldn't it be either Munchi's Ford World Rally Team, Stobart VK M-Sport Ford Rally Team, or BP Ford World Rally Team, rather than just Ford, Citroën Total World Rally Team instead of Citroen, and Subaru World Rally Team not Subaru, etc?
- Done NapHit (talk) 16:49, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- It may be just because it's late, but I'm finding Footnote A a bit confusing
- think it's a bit clearer now NapHit (talk) 16:49, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Pipelink "Mercedes 450 SLC 5.0" to Mercedes-Benz R107
- Done NapHit (talk) 16:49, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Refs 6, 7, 10, 12, 15-24 should use {{cite web}}
- They do use this template NapHit (talk) 16:49, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Oops, I meant {{cite news}} Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 18:15, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Done NapHit (talk) 14:16, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Oops, I meant {{cite news}} Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 18:15, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Ref 6 should attribute the author
- Done NapHit (talk) 16:49, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Ref 10 should give the author and page number
- This cannot be done as the ref is web based NapHit (talk) 16:49, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Since it's a news article, it will do it if it uses {{Cite news}} it will work
- It does indeed, I've added the page number NapHit (talk) 14:16, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Since it's a news article, it will do it if it uses {{Cite news}} it will work
- Refs shouldn't really be using ISO date formatting any longer. Since the WRC is an international thing, I recommend "28 November 2008" over "2008-11-27" or "November 27, 2008". There are special fields in {{cite web}} and {{cite news}} to do this.
- Done NapHit (talk) 16:49, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Ref 17 should attribute Associated Press
- Done NapHit (talk) 16:49, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Overall, good. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 05:14, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Is there a photo of the cup that can be added to the lead section?
- There is but I don't think it would constitute as free use so I'm reluctant to use it and where would the template go that is already in the lead? NapHit (talk) 16:49, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Below it, like the F1 one perhaps. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 18:15, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Here is the link for the image, Im not sure if it would count as being free use, what do you think? NapHit (talk) 14:16, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Yeah, probably better not to include it. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 01:46, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Here is the link for the image, Im not sure if it would count as being free use, what do you think? NapHit (talk) 14:16, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Below it, like the F1 one perhaps. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 18:15, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- some constructors still need adding. Ralliart for Mitsu, for example. I can't find articles for Peugeot, Audi, Lancia or Fiat, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. I think Fiat's is Abarth, but I'm not 100% sure. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 01:46, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I've added the links for Mitsu and Fiat and redirect the Peugeot, Audi and Lancia links to the releveant part in the main article hopefuly this should suffice. NapHit (talk) 13:12, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- All my comments have been resolved. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 01:46, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
- Sources looks good, checked with the Checklinks tool. Cannibaloki 04:21, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from SRX
Comments
- Each rally is split into 15–25 special stages which are run against the clock on closed roads. - comma before "which."
- The WRC was formed from well-known and popular international rallies, most of which had previously been part of the European Rally Championship and/or the International Championship for Manufacturers, and the series was first contested in 1973. the "and/or" contradicts the second "and." It would be better that a semicolon replaces that "and."
- The driver's championship and manufacturer's championship are separate championships, but based on the same point system. - +"are" before "based."
- Finland has produced the most champions, 7 drivers have won 14 championships between them. --> "Finland has won the most titles, with 14 championships between 7 drivers."
- A key would help to explain some of the headings of the columns, like Margins.--SRX 21:57, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
- I've dealt with all your comments, Cheers NapHit (talk) 23:12, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comments
- Not keen on the headings "By nationality" etc - should be "Winners by nationality" or else put these as subsections under a general "Winners" heading.
- Gronholm's caption is fragment so remove the full stop.
- The notes aren't cited. Is there a reason for this?
- "The margin of points the champions beat the runner-up by" - try "The margin of points by which the champion defeated the runner-up(s)" perhaps? Was there ever more than one runner-up?
- The Rambling Man on tour (talk) 06:02, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for the comment Rambling Man, they are all dealt with now NapHit (talk) 14:37, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support with one comment; "...follows: 10, 8, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1." From my perspective, numbers 10 and lower should be written in lower case, but it's fine to me. Nice job with the article. -- SRE.K.A
nnoyomous.L.24[c] 01:59, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]- I fell that because these are describing a point system, they should remain numerals. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:03, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Yeh I agree with Dabomb because it's dscribing a points system it should remain. NapHit (talk) 15:00, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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