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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Scorpion0422 23:36, 7 February 2009 [1].

List of World Series of Poker Ladies Champions[edit]

Ok, let's see how well I learned my lessons from my first FLC attempt. Here is my second go at an FLC. Tell what I need to do to get this to the next level.---Balloonman PoppaBalloonCSD Survey Results 07:27, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Truco

Oppose/Comments from Truco (talk · contribs) - many prose and content issues

  • The World Series of Poker (WSOP) bracelet is considered the most coveted non-monetary prize a poker player can win. - the name is already spelled out before this, no need to spell it out again
Done---Balloonman PoppaBalloonCSD Survey Results 21:38, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Since 1976, a bracelet has been awarded to the winner of every event at the annual WSOP but titles won prior to 1976 are still counted as "bracelets". - comma before but
Done---Balloonman PoppaBalloonCSD Survey Results 21:38, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove the infoboxes, they are not representative of the list, the same can be said with images and subcaptions
Done---Balloonman PoppaBalloonCSD Survey Results 21:38, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The first World Series of Poker was not a freeze out tournament, but rather an event with a set start and stop time with the winner determined by secret ballot. - 1)Use acronym 2)link to freeze out tournament?
Both Done---Balloonman PoppaBalloonCSD Survey Results 21:38, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • In 1973, five-card stud was added. - link/explanation as to what this means per WP:JARGON
Done---Balloonman PoppaBalloonCSD Survey Results 21:38, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • In 1977, an the first Ladies only event event was introduced in the form of $100 buy-in Stud Poker Tournament. - 1)"a" not an 2)link to buy-in or elaboration?
Both Done---Balloonman PoppaBalloonCSD Survey Results 21:38, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • By 2007, the popularity of the Ladies Event had grown to the point that it became the first Ladies only event to have a prize pool greater than a million dollars. - before this, the currency was represented with numbers and the US dollar sign, be consistent with the formatting of money
Done, but I'd like other people's input here... I'm not sure I like this change.---Balloonman PoppaBalloonCSD Survey Results 21:38, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Ladies played Seven Card Stud for the event's first two decades, but have been playing Texas Hold'em since 2001. - link to Texas Hold'em
Done---Balloonman PoppaBalloonCSD Survey Results 21:38, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Between 1991 and 1997 Isaacs set an event record by finishing in-the-money five times. - 1)comma after 1997 2)Explain/link finishing-in-the-money? per [[WP:JARGON]
  • Due to complaints from mothers the event was moved to a different day in 2004. - comma after mothers
  • Potential conflicts with Mother's Day, no longer exist as the WSOP's new owner, Harrah's Casino moved the event from late spring to the summer. - 1)Remove the first comma 2)comma after Casino 3)Well is it "early, mid, or late" summer, since you stated that it was move from late spring
  • This week long event is held at Caesars Palace and is designed to equip women with the tools compete at the World Series of Poker. - add "to" before compete at the
  • In 2007, Sally Anne Boyer, the Ladies Champion similarly participated in the camp. ---> "In 2007, Ladies Champion Sally Anne Boyer similarly participated in the camp.
  • The women who have attended the camp have done well at the Ladies Championship. Patty Till finished in third place at the 2008 Ladies Championship. - how about merging these like so.."The women who have attended the camp have done well at the Ladies Championship, including Patty Till, who finished in third place at the 2008 Ladies Championship."
  • The person who won the Ladies Event. - should be "Ladies Championship event"
  • Remove the periods in the first, second, third, fifth, and seventh entries in the key, they aren't complete sentences
  • Each year is linked to an article about the WSOP World Series for that year. - this should be a footnote not in the key
  • Tournament Prize is the amount of money they won for winning the Ladies Event that year. - should be "The amount of money they won..."
  • The ref column should not be sortable
  • The money columns should be center aligned
  • Jennifer Tilly was nominated for an Academy Award for her role in Bullets over Broadway.[36] Tilly is known as the Unabombshell because of her dating Phil "Unibomber" Laak.[37] - how is this relevant to the list?
      • Removed Unibombshell and tightened up her being an academy award nominee.---Balloonman PoppaBalloon 03:49, 25 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Svetlana Gromenkova, the 2008 winner, borrowed Anthony Rivera's "lucky" sunglasses. Rivera had won the Half Omaha/Half Stud Championship earlier in the week.[5] - once again, how is this relevant?
  • On June 10, 3 events awarded bracelets, including the Ladies event. This was the first time in WSOP history that 3 people living in the same city, New York, won bracelets on the same day.[5] It was also the first time that a new "excessive celebration" penalty was implemented to minimize disruption from exuberant players. - numbers 0-9 should be spelled out not in # form
  • How reliable is the pokerroom.com?--TRUCO 19:24, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • It's not one of the pages I regularly visit, but it is one of the older and larger poker cites on the web. I would say that it would be on par with a PokerStars/FullTilt/UltimateBet websites, as that is what it really is, an online casino. For this, I would trust it (plus, it is a fairly well known story that is often cited on poker shows.)---Balloonman PoppaBalloon 03:49, 25 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The ref is fine, but the images should come back (only the images not the infoboxes).--TRUCO 23:00, 26 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from GaryColemanFan

Comments from GaryColemanFan

  • Is it necessary to show who participated in the 2008 tournament? Won't this information be outdated soon? I'm not sure what it adds to the article.
????I'm not sure where/what you are referring to here? The only place where somebody from the 2008 tournament is mentioned other than the winner, is when I'm talking about the "WSOP Academy Ladies Only Poker Camp," which is a camp designed to coincide with this tournament.---Balloonman PoppaBalloonCSD Survey Results 21:25, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I was referring to the section in the key that states: "† Denotes player who participated in the 2008 WSOP." GaryColemanFan (talk) 22:38, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Reworded, what I was looking for was something to indicate which players were still active. So I changed the wording to reflect that.
I don't know if I'd consider it necessary, but I'm sure some people would find it helpful. It certainly doesn't hurt anything, so I'll cross that out. GaryColemanFan (talk) 05:46, 25 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Nani Dollison's lifetime winnings need a second look. They should be consistent, and I'm assuming that lifetime winnings shouldn't be lower than the winnings from a single tournament.
Fixed---Balloonman PoppaBalloonCSD Survey Results 21:25, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I think there is a new problem here, as it now states that she won $622,904 in both 2000 and 2001. GaryColemanFan (talk) 22:38, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ooops, was rushed due to my son waking up from a nap... he's in bed now, so I fixed it.---Balloonman PoppaBalloon 03:56, 25 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is there a reason that Barbara Enright's name can't be centered?
Fixed---Balloonman PoppaBalloonCSD Survey Results 21:25, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The list of men's champions gives additional information (winning hand, number of entrants, etc.). Would that information be appropriate here? There is some extra space in the table, which would allow this to fit. GaryColemanFan (talk) 20:58, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The women's event has been as well documented as the Main Event. It has only been in the past few years that it has started to emerge as one of the pre-eminent events at the WSOP. When it was first added, it was added as a gimmick to get more women to play poker (I wish I could find the source where I read that!) But anyway, the first tournament was only a $100 buy in, and frankly the WSOP doesn't even know how many people were in the earliest tournmanets let alone the winning hands. I could add a column for the number of participants, but about half of them would be empty and I figured it would be better not to include it.---Balloonman PoppaBalloonCSD Survey Results 21:25, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I assume you mean that the women's event has not been as well documented as the Main Event. I was expected that was probably the case, so feel free to ignore this comment. GaryColemanFan (talk) 22:38, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, that's what I meant. Not as well documented. Many of the earlier Ladies events we don't even know who the runner up was or how many people were in the event.---Balloonman PoppaBalloon 03:56, 25 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The "Notes" section has a formatting problem. The notes read a,[b],c. There should be consistency. The corresponding "a" seems to have been removed when the infoboxes were taken out, so it doesn't link to anything in the prose or table. GaryColemanFan (talk) 05:46, 25 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done---Balloonman PoppaBalloon 07:01, 25 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 00:03, 31 January 2009 (UTC) [reply]
Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

  • "The World Series of Poker (WSOP) is the "the oldest, largest, most prestigious, and most media-hyped gaming competition in the world".[1] It is held annually in Las Vegas." I think that there is a way to merge these sentences: "The World Series of Poker (WSOP), held annually in Las Vegas, is the "the oldest, largest, most prestigious, and most media-hyped gaming competition in the world".
done---Balloonman PoppaBalloon 03:42, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "prior to"-->before.
done---Balloonman PoppaBalloon 03:42, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "but rather an event with a set start and stop time with the winner determined by secret ballot" Is there a way to eliminate the "with ... with" repetition?
done---Balloonman PoppaBalloon 03:42, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "the first Ladies only event"-->the first Ladies-only event
done---Balloonman PoppaBalloon 03:42, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Jackie McDaniels won that event to became the first Ladies Championship." A couple things wrong here: wrong verb tense, and one can't become a "Championshiop".
done---Balloonman PoppaBalloon 03:42, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "only three players"
done---Balloonman PoppaBalloon 03:42, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "of color," Check your logical punctuation here, the comma should be outside the quotation marks.
done---Balloonman PoppaBalloon 03:42, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Traditionally" Comma after here.
done---Balloonman PoppaBalloon 03:42, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The women who have attended the camp have done well at the Ladies Championship" Can you verify this?
reworded---Balloonman PoppaBalloon 03:42, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Sally Anne Boyer similarly" "similarly"-->also.
no longer applicable, reworded section---Balloonman PoppaBalloon 03:42, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • See WP:CAPTION, images that have captions that are not complete sentences should not have periods.
done Made into sentences.---Balloonman PoppaBalloon 03:42, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 00:03, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes we did, the poker room is an established gaming casino and one of the oldest/largest poker cites on the web. I would not rank it as reliable as a magazine, but for this story, which is pretty well known in poker lore, I believe it is reliable. ---Balloonman PoppaBalloon 03:42, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 36 (the last one) needs a last access date. Dabomb87 (talk) 00:02, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
done---Balloonman PoppaBalloon 03:42, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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