Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Orlando Magic draft history

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The list was promoted 23:26, 6 April 2008.

Orlando Magic draft history

I believe it's ready for this process. I am sure there are going to be comments/ concerns/ questions, I'll try my best to answer them.--Crzy cheetah 22:51, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Matthew

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The image text reads funny. I think "Shaquille O'Neal was drafted by Orlando Magic in 1992."
The grey header text is hard to read against the blue. I think white will be better.

That's it as a quick glance. I'll do better in the morning after some sleep :) -- Matthew | talk | Contribs 04:13, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

- And I'll be waiting.--Crzy cheetah 04:38, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Try to avoid linking in the bold title, per WP:LEAD
- Avoided.--Crzy cheetah 19:39, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
There are three uses of the acronym NBA before National Basketball Association is written out
- Corrected.--Crzy cheetah 19:39, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
"Before each draft, an NBA Lottery is held to determine the order of selection for the non-playoff teams, or the teams holding their picks through trades, for the first round only" is a bit jargony
- This statement is taken from the official website of the NBA.--Crzy cheetah 19:39, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - That might be why then. It probably assumes that readers of its site know something about the sport. Can it be reworded to become more accessible-to-all? -- Matthew | talk | Contribs 20:16, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - I added wikilinks to some sports-related terms and tweaked that sentence a little.--Crzy cheetah 20:35, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      - I'm not that concerned about the sports jargon. There's no conceivable reason for someone to use this list without having some prior knowledge about the NBA. However, I am concerned that statements are apparently lifted verbatim from NBA.com. That's plagiarism, and a probable copyvio. Make sure you say everything in your own words. Zagalejo^^^ 05:34, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        No statement is taken verbatim. I took ideas that were in there and added a reference note next to them.--Crzy cheetah 06:50, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        The majority of the sentence Matthew quoted is lifted word-for-word from this page. Everything between "order of selection" and "first round only" is the same. You can't just change a word or two here and there; you need to use your own words as much as possible. Zagalejo^^^ 07:07, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        ~~That sentence was changed when Matthew first mentioned it. Could you take a look at this page?--Crzy cheetah 07:54, 20 March 2008 (UTC)~~ Sorry, I didn't notice your edits, thanks.--Crzy cheetah 07:57, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Is "pick" the term used in the NBA? It just seems a bit colloquial
- Yes, it is. Watch this youtube video and you'll hear NBA Commissioner saying "with the first pick...".--Crzy cheetah 19:39, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Can you include a key for the position acronyms in the table?
- I think a key will be redundant since all acronyms are linked.--Crzy cheetah 19:39, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
And maybe identify which former teams were college, high school and clubs.
- Clubs' countries are typed next to the club names; next to the high school, the high school's city is typed; all teams without any notes next to them are colleges. If you have an idea on how to make this more obvious, please share.--Crzy cheetah 19:39, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Hmm.. no, not really. :) -- Matthew | talk | Contribs 20:16, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's it! -- Matthew | talk | Contribs 15:43, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks.--Crzy cheetah 19:39, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support Meets the criteria, is well referenced. Nice addition to FLs. -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 14:43, 28 March, 2008

Resolved stuff from The Rambling Man (talk) 07:15, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments
- "with their 11th pick..."? It was the draft's 11th pick, not Orlando's wasn't it? It was Orlando's first pick of their two...
  - I reworded that one. Zagalejo^^^ 15:50, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- " who was selected an All-Star a record-tying 14 consecutive times" sounds like this had happened before the draft - perhaps "who went on to be selected as an All-Star...."
  - Corrected.--Crzy cheetah 20:04, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- " three first round picks in 1998 and 2000 belonged to the Orlando Magic" - reads strangely to me "belonged to the Orlando Magic" just doesn't seem right....
  - Well, they had those picks and could do whatever they wanted with them. First, I wanted to use the word "owned", but it sounded too "strong" to me.--Crzy cheetah 20:04, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Why small font in the table if the draft is foreign? It makes it hard to read and doesn't enhance the article at all. And it may be in other draft articles but it doesn't make it right!
  - Small font is used whenever the information is not as important for the casual reader as it is for a NBA fan. I removed the <small></small> from the clubs column, but I believe for the trade notes, small text is needed to distinguish the note itself from the player's name.--Crzy cheetah 20:04, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That's about it for me. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:55, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support (sorry in the delay, been really busy around here!) Still not keen on the small fonts, there's no reason to use them at all, but it's not going to prevent me supporting. You just ought to consider people with visualisation issues. Good work though. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:15, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- - I always consider them. This time, they just need to click on the footnote and read a detailed version of whatever is written in small letters. Thanks for your review.--Crzy cheetah 08:43, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My first thought was to compare this to other draft-related articles, specifically those which are already considered "featured lists". On 2003 NBA Draft and 2004 NBA Draft, a small note appears in the table for players who were traded shortly after being drafted and/or were drafted with a previously traded pick. This article uses <ref>s for that, and content is mixed together with sources (like meat and receipts tucked into the same drawer after a trip to the Wal-Mart deli, if you want to be a silly sausage about it). I don't think this is ideal, though I realize technical limitations prevent the use of independent sets of footnotes. I would suggest integrating the trade info into the table itself, as it is of considerable interest even to the casual reader. This could be done by adding a small note next to the name of each drafted player.

Another option would be to add a "Notes" column at the far right, allowing us to include a brief summary (1-3 sentences, -ish) of the overall effect of each of Orlando's selections. Information like what already exists in the lead for the franchise players (Anderson, Shaq, Howard) could be added/moved to the table. I would be willing to help with this if it doesn't sound stylistically absurd. There are no "obvious flaws" right now but I do see further potential for this and similar pages. — CharlotteWebb 15:53, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I made the notes similar to what I did in the 2003 NBA Draft and 2004 NBA Draft pages. Whenever there are more than five footnotes, it's very hard to separate notes from sources. Adding another column would make the table congested and hard to read, that's just my opinion, of course.--Crzy cheetah 20:04, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support Although an image of a player in a game would be nice. Also, I don't really like the combination of colours in the table header, would it be possible to change it to the normal colours (or better colouring)? Also is it necessary to have "[Year] draft" in every row? Wouldn't it be easier to switch the column title to "draft year" then just list the years? -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 00:17, 6 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks. I can't find an image of these players with the Orlando jersey on. I switched the colors and changed silver to white. I dropped the word "draft" from the rows, but didn't change the title because "draft year" would widen the column. --Crzy cheetah 05:40, 6 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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