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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:29, 24 April 2021 (UTC) [1].[reply]

Philip Seymour Hoffman on screen and stage[edit]

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Nominator(s): Cowlibob (talk) 10:27, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Philip Seymour Hoffman was one of the greatest actors of his generation. This list describes his roles in film, television and the stage. As always I welcome all constructive comments on how to improve it. Cowlibob (talk) 10:27, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:01, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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  • "for which he received National Board of Review Award for Best Supporting Actor" => "for which he received the National Board of Review Award for Best Supporting Actor"
  • "in Mike Nichols-directed Charlie Wilson's War (2007)" => "in the Mike Nichols-directed Charlie Wilson's War (2007)"
  • "Two years later, he played a cult leader in Anderson's The Master and Willy Loman in Death of a Salesman." - I would clarify that one was a film and the other a play
  • Do the sources support the descriptions of the roles he played eg that his character in "Synecdoche, New York" was a "troubled theatre director"?
  • Sorting on role in the first table gives one odd result - Dustin "Dusty" Davis sorts at the top, above the roles that start with A
  • In the title column, I would say "25th Hour" should sort as if it starts with the word "twenty-fifth"
  • In the stage table (role column), James Tyrone, Jr. sorts on J when it should be T
  • As the notes column in the stage table is a mish-mash of roles and dates, the sorting is really weird. I am not really sure if there is any value in this column being sortable.
  • I wouldn't fix the widths of the columns in the stage table. The ref(s) column is massively wider than it needs to be, which looks a bit silly
  • Think that's it from me - great work as ever! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 17:09, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • @ChrisTheDude: Thanks for the review. I think I've fixed the above. Cowlibob (talk) 08:51, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • @Cowlibob: - the notes column in the stage table is still sortable, and I'm not sure it is meaningful to be able to sort on that column. If you sort on it you get the following, in this order:
        • Two dates in April
        • All the roles prefaced by "artistic director", in month order from February to September
        • One date in August
        • All the roles prefaced by "director", in month order from March to October
        • One role prefaced by "exec director"
        • Roles from March to September, in alphabetical (rather than chronological) order of month
      • I can't see that the above sorting is in any way useful/helpful, so I think it would be best simply to make that column unsortable -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:59, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        • Oops, I thought that had been fixed. Done. Cowlibob (talk) 10:48, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • No worries - support. What a shame this is one list that won't need any updating going forward........ -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:08, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Table accessibility review (MOS:DTAB): The tables are missing a caption.

  • Please add `|+ table caption` to the top of the tables, or if it would duplicate a nearby section header you can visually hide the caption as `|+ {{sronly|table caption}}`
--PresN 14:38, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@PresN: Added table captions. Cowlibob (talk) 23:11, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Dank

  • Standard disclaimer: I don't know what I'm doing, and I mostly AGF on sourcing.
  • FLC criteria:
  • 1. The prose is fine. I've done a little copyediting; feel free to revert or discuss. The coding at the top of the table seems fine. I checked sorting on some columns and sampled the links in the table.
  • 2. The lead meets WP:LEAD and defines the inclusion criteria.
  • 3a. The list has comprehensive items and annotations.
  • 3b. At a glance, the article seems well-sourced to reliable sources ... I'm not good with film sources, but they seem to be okay for what you're using them for. The UPSD tool isn't indicating any problems (but this isn't a source review). Refs 16 and 30 need retrieval dates; the other relevant retrieval dates are all present.
  • 3c. The list meets requirements as a stand-alone list, it isn't a content fork, it doesn't largely duplicate another article (that I can find), and it wouldn't fit easily inside another article.
  • 4. It is navigable.
  • 5. It meets style requirements. The one image seems fine.
  • 6. It is stable.
  • Support, since this is close enough to the finish line. Well done. (I hope you'll drop by my plant list noms every now and then, but they tend to be long, so don't sweat it.) - Dank (push to talk) 14:27, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: This looks like a well written career history of PSH. I cannot see errors or glaring issues with this list.
--Birdienest81 (talk) 01:22, 23 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Source review passed; promoted. --PresN 22:41, 23 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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