Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Guadeloupe Creole Roadsign

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Roadsign in Guadeloupe Creole[edit]

Voting period is over. Please don't add any new votes. Voting period ends on 20 Jun 2011 at 20:10:51 (UTC)

Original - A road sign in a residential area in Guadeloupe written in Antillean Creole: "Slow down. Small children are playing here." The literal translation is "Lift your foot. Small people are playing here." showing the metaphoric nature of the language.
I think the photo give the readers of articles about creole languages a quick idea of what it is about. The sign was made by children, has very clear letters, good light, focus, geocoded. I think it is challenging to provide a good photograph illustrating what a language is about, and I think this photo does the job.
Articles in which this image appears
Creole language, Antillean Creole
FP category for this image
Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Culture, entertainment, and lifestyle/Culture and lifestyle
  • Support as nominator --Slaunger (talk) 20:10, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Comment. I appreciate this effort to illustrate such a hard to illustrate topic, and not considering picture quality itself, what concerns me, in terms of en:Wiki, is that Antillean Creole is mainly based on French, not English. To me, looking at this, it's just a foreign language, and because I can't understand it anyway there's nothing about it that says 'creole'. For this reason I don't find it has huge EV in its main use in Creole language (although use in Antillean Creole is stronger). But as an en:Wiki FP, it would seem to make more sense to use a picture of something like Jamaican Creole, which is based on English, and which you can often vaguely make sense out of. Maybe this nom would be better placed on fr:Wiki and/or Commons? --jjron (talk) 11:15, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Oppose. I'm sorry. This is clearly a difficult topic to illustrate, but I do not feel that this image illustrates the topic to a FP level. J Milburn (talk) 18:38, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Comments
    • I agree it would have been less difficult to make a good picture to illustrate Jamaican Creole as this creole language is based on English. But jst because a topic is less accessible, and requires more from the viewer, does that exclude the possibility of FP?
    • I partially agree about its EV for Creole language - it is not so easy to understand the example for a Creole language and a Creole language inherited from English. On the other hand its qualities are very much what Creole is about, it uses only very simple words and comes around many aspects of the language in a very short message.
    • As the creole languages are most often a spoken language and not an official language, where it is used, it is not seen so much in writing. The photo is a good exception thereof.
    • I am a little surprised that the text is perceived as something which cannot be understood by a typical English speaking reader.
      • Lévé - "Lift". clearly related to the English word levitate
      • Pié - "foot", clearly related to, e.g., pedestrian
      • aw - off, sound a bit similar
      • ti - short form of the very well known French word for small, "petit"
      • moun - "man", and so on
    • I am not a native English speaker myself, but if you have just a little insight into the origin of the words from latin or if you have some basic familiarity with some of the big languages derived from latin, like French, Spanish, Italian or Portuguese, it think a lot of it is quite familiar.
    • There is an article called Antillean Creole. Does this not have EV because it is based on a French language? If you want to learn about Antillean Crole as an English speaking user, there is no way around being exposed to the French language I would say. Thus you need some time to understand the subject and here I think such a photo helps.
    • Is it at all possible to illustrate such a topic as Creole language with a picture, which could be FP? I am not implying that my nomination is the answer to that, but could it be done? I think that is an interesting question and challenge. Much less obvious then getting an FP of some bird species - it is so evident how to illustrate that...
    • --Slaunger (talk) 22:25, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
      • I thought it said "Lift foot up". You thought "Lift foot off". The supplied translation says "Lift your foot". Not only do I think it is unclear, I am not certain we have the correct answer yet. (talk) 18:07, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
        • I acknowledge this does not look right, and is actually also not stated in the translations sourced on the file page. I have striked out the speculative translations. --Slaunger (talk) 18:18, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
          • Why try to compare it to English language when it's based on French language? Lévé = Levé (lift), Pié = Pied (foot), Moun = Môme (child), la = là (here), etc. Laurent (talk) 13:06, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
  • CommentI have to agree J Milburn on this, it's a difficult topic to illustrate. Some topics are too abstract or non-visual for an image to provide much help in understanding. For a language, something that would help but is missing from the article is a map showing where the language is spoken. It might never be FP but it would be more helpful than a road sign.--RDBury (talk) 23:29, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
    • Maybe another thing for a language might be a portion of a notable text or literature written in that language, in a historically significant form (original manuscript or something?). SpencerT♦C 03:29, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Weak support I am inclined to support due to the quality of the photo and the fact that this is just about the best way you can visually illustrate a non-visual topic such as a language. However, I also don't feel that sort of "wow" factor that would make me really convinced to support. Is there any way we could get a similar photo, with the sign both in Creole and English? That would really do it for me. -RunningOnBrains(talk) 01:47, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Oppose, low encylopedic benefit.TCO (talk) 20:42, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Not Promoted --Makeemlighter (talk) 21:31, 20 June 2011 (UTC)