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Celebrity Big Brother (U.S. TV series)[edit]

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I've listed this article for peer review because I recently created the article from a redirect and greatly expanded it. Would love some additional input on the article on how to improve it. Hoping to get this article up to GA status at some point.

Thanks, Alucard 16_{❯❯❯ chat?} 04:40, 17 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by David Fuchs[edit]

Doing... Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^talk 17:35, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

General:
- I'm concerned about the usage of primary sources for details such as how the game works in the premise. It appears to be an improper use of sourcing per WP:PRIMARY.
  - Alongside that, I think these details if they can't be sourced to a secondary, independent reliable source, probably shouldn't be included. For example, this explanation of the differences in the logos: The logo was slightly modified to remove the water effects which were replaced by faint lights while the word "Celebrity" before "Big" with "Brother" underneath. The water effect that was used as a transition and appears around the HouseGuests was removed. This was replaced with a star being used as the transition and items related to the celebrities notoriety appeared around them.
    - I see what you mean I will try to find a secondary source and if one is unavailable I will remove it. I'll also review WP:PRIMARY again to ensure all primary sources are in compliance. Alucard 16_{❯❯❯ chat?} 00:05, 26 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  - I'm not really sure how the layout of the house (in the "Filming" section) is particularly germane.
    - The layout of the house is a big deal for the show but I was unsure where to place this based on MOS:TV or if I should create a new section about the house. Alucard 16_{❯❯❯ chat?} 00:05, 26 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- As someone who isn't really familiar with Big Brother, I found the format/gameplay section a bit verbose and excessively detailed.
- I think for GA quality there would need to be a bit more in terms of reception than what is there to be comprehensive enough; two critics isn't exactly a real sampling.
Prose:
- The prose overall could use a good copyedit to reach GA quality.
- is a reality television spin-off series of the American adaptation of Big Brother created by John de Mol—it's unclear from this construction whether John de Mol created Big Brother or Big Brother: Celebrity Edition (or both.)
  - John de Mol created the original Netherlands version. The English American franchise credits him as the creator for Big Brother and its spin-offs Big Brother: Over the Top and Celebrity Big Brother during the closing credits of every episode. Alucard 16_{❯❯❯ chat?} 00:05, 26 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- There's some issues with tense changes throughout that need to get cleaned up, e.g.:
  - Before the voting began the nominees have the chance to say a final message to their fellow HouseGuests on why they should stay. —should be begins instead of the tense change here,
  - An American version of Celebrity Big Brother has been speculated since 2002
  - Don Wollman and Clayton Halsey also reprises their roles—should be reprise
- What is the Diary Room? It's just dropped in without introduction.
- Along side these episode a companion show, Celebrity Big Brother: After Dark, provides live coverage from inside the House is shown on Pop should be Alongside these episode Pop shows live coverage from inside the House on Celebrity Big Brother: After Dark. or similar.
  - Done Alucard 16_{❯❯❯ chat?} 00:05, 26 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
References:
- For a GAN you're going to have to explain how Hidden Remote, Reality Blurred, Programming Insider, TV Series Finale, and CinemaBlend are reliable sources; I'm not familiar with them.
  - FanSided is a collection of websites owned by Meredith Corporation that covers various shows and topics. In addition to the main website own and operate Inside the BB House and Hidden Remote. This source seems to be very reliable and is used by other good articles and featured lists. Reality Blurred the site is run by Andy Dehnart who is a journalist and reality television critic. He is also a member of the Television Critics Association. Programming Insider is another website similar to TV by the Numbers (a vetted reliable source by WP:TVFAQ) which reports on daily viewership ratings from Nielsen Media Research. However their weekly reports which have the finalized ratings with DVR figures are more extensive and covers all shows that were broadcast during the week. TV by the Numbers on the other hand only includes the top 25 shows in their weekly reports. TV Series Finale is another website that tracks viewing figures however they also have season averages of shows that can be cited. They also cite Nielsen for their information. I personally found out about this website from the Game of Thrones article. Alucard 16_{❯❯❯ chat?} 00:05, 26 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  - I am now unsure of using CinemaBlend as a source now that you asked me this. This website covers various aspects of entertainment like movies, television and gaming however upon further research I don't feel as confident it would be a good source to use. WP:VG maintains an extensive list of various sources that pertain to gaming that the gaming community has vetted in various discussions. When it comes to CinemaBlend they classify this site as an unreliable source when it comes to video games and encourage that it be replaced with a different source if it is found in a video game article. I will start a discussion over at WT:TV at some point about if this would be a good source for television related articles however based on WP:VG/RS I'm gonna go back and replace the CinemaBlend sources in this article with better reliable sources. Alucard 16_{❯❯❯ chat?} 00:05, 26 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Some of the URLs are archived, but I'd recommend archiving them all so that you can ward off WP:LINKROT and any future verifiability concerns.
  - I am working on this as I address other comments above like I did with the Broadcast and coverage section. I'm also taking some tips I learned from the FAC process from List of Celebrity Big Brother (American TV series) episodes and applying them to the sources as well. Alucard 16_{❯❯❯ chat?} 00:05, 26 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Media:
- Images look okay and shouldn't be a problem.

--Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^talk 01:13, 25 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks David Fuchs for reviewing this I'm sorry I'm just getting back to you now I have the review on my watchlist but it I overlooked it. I will be working on this in the coming days. Alucard 16_{❯❯❯ chat?} 21:52, 25 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]