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Iztok Puc

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I've listed this article for peer review because… I and some other contributors to the article have come to a conclusion that we would like to make the article about this, recently deceased, person to achieve a status of Good Article. Ty, Ratipok (talk) 22:51, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, Ratipok (talk) 22:51, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Ruhrfisch comments: Thanks for your work on this interesting article - tragic that he died relatively young. Here are some suggestions for improvement.

• A model article is useful for ideas and examples to follow. There are many FA biographies of athletes at Wikipedia:Featured_articles#Sport_and_recreation_biographies and it seems as if some of them might be useful models.
• The current lead is too short and needs to be expanded. It should be an accessible and inviting overview of the whole article. Nothing important should be in the lead only - since it is a summary, it should all be repeated in the body of the article itself
• My rule of thumb is to include every header in the lead in some way, but the lead has little in it about his career except for his Olmpic appearances.
• To become a GA, the article needs to follow WP:WIAGA , which includes the idea that article is broad in its coverage. I think it needs more detail - there is nothing on his birth or parents or siblings (if any), and the details of his career could be greatly expanded. For example over 16 years is summarized in one sentence: "Puc started his career at RK Šoštanj and later played professionally for RK Borac from Bosnia and Herzegovina, RK Zagreb from Croatia, and RK Celje and RD Prule 67 from Slovenia.[7] This should be expanded into many sentences / paragraphs with more details.
• Did he win any championships with his teams in those 16 plus years? What were their records like when he played for them? A little of this is done for RK Celje and RD Prule 67, but more detail could be given for all these clubs.
• This needs a reference In early 2011, Puc was diagnosed with lung cancer that spread to his liver and bones, and succumbed to the disease on 20 October 2011, just a few days before the Champions League game between Zagreb and Barcelona.
• I checked one of the few English refs (Iztok Puc passes away". eurohandball.com) and it said he died of leukemia, not lung cancer. Also said he moved to Florida to help his tennis playing son's career.
• This needs a ref too: In the late 1990s he switched his national side allegiance in favour of Slovenia, the country of his birth. He then played for the Slovenian team at the 2000 Summer Olympics in Sydney, where the team finished eighth. Slovenia qualified for the Sydney tournament after finishing fifth at the 2000 European Championship. The play-off match fifth place was played in Zagreb against host nation Croatia, Puc's former team. Puc was one of the best players of the game and Slovenia won the match 25–24, thus securing the last available spot for the 2000 Olympics.
  • The tone needs to be more encylcopedic / neutral - it is fine to quote someone as saying he "was one of the best players of the game" but this kind of superlative should be attributed. It also helps to give specifics and let the reader decide his performance - if the article says he scored more goals than any other player and was also the leader in other statistics, this makes it clearer that he was one of the best or best.
• I did not find any images of him on Flickr, which is too bad - perhaps if you contacted on of his former teams / federations, they might release a free image (see WP:OTRS)
• Please make sure that the existing text includes no copyright violations, plagiarism, or close paraphrasing. For more information on this please see Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2009-04-13/Dispatches. (This is a general warning given in all peer reviews, in view of previous problems that have risen over copyvios.)

Hope this helps. If my comments are useful, please consider peer reviewing an article, especially one at Wikipedia:Peer review/backlog (which is how I found this article). I do not watch peer reviews, so if you have questions or comments, please contact me on my talk page. Yours, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 03:20, 17 November 2011 (UTC)