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November 1

Movie in anthology series

Back in 1984, when I was 13 years old, my teacher showed me and my class a movie about the Mayflower. One of the performers in it was John Dehner. I asked the teacher when the movie was made, in the 1960s or the 1970s. She told me she believed it was the 1960s, and she'll check the copyright. But during some commercial breaks, there was this image of some popcorn with a scoop. The caption read Sunday Playhouse. What's the movie's title? When was it made? Was there ever an anthology series called Sunday Playhouse? Anyone know?2603:7000:8641:810E:AFB5:A06F:298:5D33 (talk) 07:43, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Could it be Plymouth Adventure? 68.187.174.155 (talk) 11:08, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Since John Dehner is in its cast, that's probably the one. Does the OP concur? {The poster formerly known as 76.81.230.195} 94.6.86.81 (talk) 19:09, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that's the one.2603:7000:8641:810E:AFB5:A06F:298:5D33 (talk) 02:51, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sunday Playhouse seems to have been a tv slot for showing movies in the early 1960s [1]. A couple of other possibilities:

The Pilgrims (1955) "This classroom film dramatizes the Pilgrim’s flight from religious persecution in England to the Netherlands, then 12 years later their ocean voyage on the Mayflower, and the founding of Plymouth Colony in 1620".
The Beginning at Plymouth Colony (1954) "This Cold War classroom lecture film argues that the Pilgrims' early collectivist economic system failed, leading to a more successful capitalist system based on individual responsibility and private ownership".

Alansplodge (talk) 14:26, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sunday Playhouse must've started airing sometime in the 1970s.2603:7000:8641:810E:AFB5:A06F:298:5D33 (talk) 02:59, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yet the collected volume of TV Guide Vol. 9 Issues 1–13 linked by Alansplodge is dated as published in 1961, which is consistent with the magazine itself having started publication in 1953. Evidently then, films were being broadcast under the Sunday Playhouse title around 1960. Obviously, these were not new made-for-TV movies (which was I suspect not yet much of a thing), but TV showings of existing movies, Plymouth Adventure, for example, having been released in 1952. Sunday Playhouse broadcasts were doubtless repeated in subsequent years. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.6.86.81 (talk) 14:48, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Really. I also still remember the music score from the Sunday Playhouse commercial breaks. It must've been from a popular song. If so, could the song be identified? In addition, could someone create an article about Sunday Playhouse?2603:7000:8641:810E:AFB5:A06F:298:5D33 (talk) 07:19, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi 2603:7000:8641:810E:AFB5:A06F:298:5D33. An article could only be created if there are sufficient (~3 or more) passages of substantial length in published reliable sources, entirely or mostly about the series, written independently of its owners/creators/whatever. These may exist in printed material (such as books about US TV broadcasting), but in earlier searching to help answer, I found very few mere mentions, even, of it online.

Some volunteer also has to want to do the research and article creation. That could be yourself. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.7.95.48 (talk) 00:08, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Frauenliebe und -leben

Resolved

Has any male singer recorded Schumann's cycle? I know Matthias Goerne has performed it, but can't find any recording.

(After all, the premiere was given by baritone Julius Stockhausen with Clara Schumann accompanying...) Double sharp (talk) 15:27, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Classical label Hyperion does not suggest it might have been recorded [2]. It's a work absolutely neutraly qualified one Singstimme but the particular occurrence allows the reviewer to offer extended hinsight into admitted ~~procolary~~ protocolary attitudes, unfortunately not addressing your point specifically if I'm reading him correctly. --Askedonty (talk) 14:02, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Askedonty, purely for interest, can you rephrase your second sentence, whose meaning escapes me? 'Procolary', for example, is so obscure that it does not appear in my OED, and although I have been able to get 'Singstimme' translated as 'singing voice', I cannot make sense of ". . .neutra[l]ly qualified one Singstimme . . .". {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.6.86.81 (talk) 15:06, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry. The German term Singstimme is the standard word for "voice" used in the composer's voice and instrumental prescription as it appears in the song cycle genre in German. --Askedonty (talk) 09:01, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Askedonty. So you were saying that the work itself doesn't demand any particular type of (male or female) voice, but its unusual performance by a baritone allows the critic to discuss the conventional attitudes that expect a female singer? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.6.86.81 (talk) 17:03, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

True, though I'm feeling quite dishearted now not having had enough perseverance for also being able to state that I was commenting only and perhaps even partially the introduction to a fully thorough presentation of the work, and the unconventional aspects in its genesis. --Askedonty (talk) 17:35, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Of course, recordings were a very newfangled invention in 1862 when the premiere was given. I mentioned the premiere not because I thought it might've been recorded (of course it wasn't), but rather to explain why using a male singer for this is not quite as odd an idea as it may seem. Double sharp (talk) 14:51, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

BTW, there is a recording on YouTube of the the second song alone by baritone Olivier Gagnon. I really enjoyed it, but still I haven't found the full cycle. Double sharp (talk) 11:49, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This appears to be a recording of the full cycle by baritone Roderick Williams. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 21:31, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@JackofOz: Thank you!! Double sharp (talk) 02:37, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This reminds me of a most enlightening talk page discussion (mea culpa) about the name of Schumann's song-cycle back in 2017. The upshot of my research was that "The entirety of reliable editions of the Schumann cycle use the exact title of Frauenliebe und Leben including: Breitkopf und Härtel, Peters Edition urtext, Bärenreiter, Henle, Universal." So technically you should refer to it as Frauenliebe und Leben, 'cos that's the printed title of Schumann's setting and always has been, despite: the LP/CD covers of various recording companies; German orthographical reforms; the title of the original poems; and settings by other composers. Btw, Roddy Williams lives only a few miles away from me and is still giving well-attended concerts. MinorProphet (talk) 17:45, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]