Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Royal Yugoslav Navy

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Royal Yugoslav Navy

Nominator(s): Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me)

The Royal Yugoslav Navy existed between 1921 and 1945. Organised for the defence of Yugoslavia's Adriatic coastline, it developed from a few former Austro-Hungarian vessels. It did not see significant action during the April 1941 Axis invasion of the country, and was mostly captured in port. Several former Yugoslav vessels saw active service in Italian or German hands during the remainder of the war. It was disestablished in 1945 and some of its vessels were transferred to the new Yugoslav Navy. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:00, 2 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Image review

File:Razarač_Zagreb_-_maketa.jpg: what is the copyright status of the model itself? Nikkimaria (talk) 00:43, 8 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Good question. Probably copyrighted, I'll delete it. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:54, 10 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  - Deleted. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 05:44, 11 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support ~~Comments~~ All good, per my GA review. Found some dup-links, please fix them.

Section 1.3.1; para 1; Dalmatian and submarines
Section 1.3.2; para 1; Serbo-Croatian
Section 1.6; para 1; Split, para 2; Regia Marina
Section 2.2; Royal Yugoslav Army

Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk • mail) 01:29, 10 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Thanks, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:02, 10 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support per my GA review, and as the issues were addressed. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk • mail) 02:15, 11 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support: G'day, PM, nice work as usual. Overall, this looks like an excellent article. I did a little copy editing - please check you are happy with my changes and adjust if necessary. I also have the following suggestions: AustralianRupert (talk) 12:20, 10 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

per WP:DATERANGE: the guidance here has changed to full dates, e.g. "1923–29" --> "1923–1929" (I did a few, but didn't get all of them);
per MOS:TIME, times should have a non breaking space between the numerals and the element that denotes whether it is day or night, e.g. "4:30 am" (I think I got all of them, but please check);
emdashes should be unspaced (I did a few, but please check I didn't miss any);
inconsistent caps: "with the Navy Commander holding..." v. "Prica retired as navy commander and..."
full name for Niehorster on first mention in the body of the article
the paragraph beginning "Zara was an Italian enclave on the Dalmatian coast" seems to begin a bit abruptly
"a near miss that was believed..." --> believed by whom?
- Thanks for the review, Rupert. All done. These are my edits. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 05:44, 11 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support ~~Comments~~

I'd like to see a somewhat more in depth discussion of the strategy of the fleet - for instance, I seem to think I've seen in one of your articles some proposals to operate out in the Mediterranean with Anglo-French fleets (I could very well be imagining things - it's been a long day)
- Jeez, you have a good memory. That was very specific to the flotilla leader Dubrovnik. Only one flotilla leader was built, but I have added a source and a mention of the idea of Mediterranean operations. It didn't really get much traction given the lack of funding, and the role remained coastal defence focused on the Adriatic. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 07:45, 19 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  - I've re-thought this and added some more information about the flotilla leader concept and related it to the acquisition of the Beograd class. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 05:09, 9 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Ditto on logistics - see for instance what I put together for the High Seas Fleet article (which admittedly needs more work).
- I get the idea, although I'll need another week or so before I can add this in. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:57, 10 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  - Done, albeit briefly.
I'd like to see the Aftermath section expanded a bit too - to what extent did the Royal Yugoslav Navy provide the basis for the postwar fleet (not just in terms of surviving ships, but command structures, ranks and regulations, specific personnel, etc.), for starters.
- I've added a bit, but the post-war navy grew out of the history and traditions of the Partisan navy (which began with a few armed fishing boats in late 1942), not the JKRM, despite some JKRM personnel deciding to go over to the Partisans during the war. I don't have a source for it, but it seems little of the JKRM survived the war other than a few ships and personnel. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:32, 9 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I think Sondhaus suggests that Austria-Hungary gave the bulk of its fleet to Yugoslavia to try to exacerbate tensions between it and Italy - will have a look later and see if I'm remembering that correctly.
- Strictly speaking they tried to, but the Inter-Allied Naval Commission quickly put paid to that idea. It didn't get much traction due to the quick action and strong objections of the Italians. I'm not sure it deserves too much coverage given it was a fading idea of the A-H's that didn't get any traction. I think the process is covered adequately in the Origins section. Happy to re-look at it if you can identify sufficient coverage of it to give it more weight. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 07:56, 29 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The article references "unrealistic expansion goals", but didn't previously discuss what these were. Parsecboy (talk) 20:08, 18 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

20 destroyers and 20 subs. Added. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 09:07, 10 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I think I'm done, Parsecboy. I even added a mpa showing the loc of the main bases. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 07:03, 19 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Nice work - I particularly like the map. I ought to do one for the HSF article. Parsecboy (talk) 14:22, 21 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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