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Talk:Gog and Magog

This dispute is about notability and reliable sourcing. User Xinheart wants to add the following paragraph to the section explaining the origin of the names Gog and Magog:

In his 1945 book "The Reign of Quantity and The Sign of Times" metaphysician and author René Guénon has a full chapter on the subject of Gog and Magog ("The fissures of the great wall"). Gog and Magog are related to their Hindu counterpart called demon brothers Koka and Vikoka "whose names are obviously similar", and refer symbolically, according to Guénon, not to groups of people on earth, but to entities belonging to the "subtle world" and having an existence presently hidden from the human realm and symbolically described as subterranean.

The problems with this are:

  • The idea that the names Gog and Magog are related to the names of the two Hindu demons Koka and Vikoka never appears in any of the sources listed in our bibliography - there must be thirty or so books there, and it's not mentioned once, whether in the text or the footnotes. This is not a notable idea.
  • René Guénon is not a biblical scholar - as his biography shows, he never acquired any formal training in the disciples that biblical scholars need (Hebrew language, various other languages, various forms of criticism, etc), never held any academic position connected with biblical studies, and never published in the relevant journals nor had any books reviewed in those journals (at least so far as I can tell). Nor is he ever mentioned in the books in the bibliography. He is not a reliable source.
  • The idea that Gog and Magog, or for that matter Koka and Vikoka, are "entities belonging to the subtle world," "hidden from the human realm," and "symbolically described as subterranean" is somewhere between incomprehensible and plain wacky. It has no place in a serious encyclopedia. Needless to say it never appears in reliable sources. PiCo (talk) 02:22, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eternal Buddha

===Eternal Buddha


Eternal Buddha (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD · Stats)
(Find sources: "Eternal Buddha" – news · newspapers · books · scholar · highbeam · JSTOR)

Delete - Mostly sourced from 2 self-published books. VictoriaGraysonTalk 21:11, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

Template talk:Hindu philosophy

===Request

To resolve the ongoing discussion at Template talk:Hindu philosophy#Jainism, Buddhism, Carvaka and Ajivika part of Hinduism?, the following poposal is being made:

Re-insert the links to Jainism, Buddhism and Ajivika, under the header "Related Indian philosophies", which would then read:
  • Jainism Buddhism Ajivika (line 1);
  • Shaiva Pratyabhijña Pashupata Siddhanta Tantra (line 2).

Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 13:14, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Brian Leiter

How much of the controversy section should be reflected in the lede and are there issues with Reliable Sources and Neutral Point of View throughout the article? Sneekypat (talk) 21:09, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Soka Gakkai

In the section on “Schism and Excommunication, 1990-1997” the text reads “ the cause of the split was the friction between hierarchical tradition and democratic modernity”. Could anyone specify of what democratic elements this is an indication of? Many Christian Protestant congregations are organised in a more Democratic fashion than SGI is. At this point we need more than just dubious sources speaking of a so called “democratic modernity” but of sources proving a “democratic modernity” in practise.

The source cited only states a REVIEW on a book and does not cite the book nor a scholar per se on the subject. Ongoing talk page discussions did not help to define how democracy is defined within SG/SGI. Even though RfC’s on SG/SGI do not really catch a lot of attention these days I will try my luck.--Catflap08 (talk) 17:04, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Carlos Latuff

Should the statement that some of Latuff's cartoons have been called antisemetic be included in the lede? 15:26, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Military of ISIL

143.176.216.29 (talk) 08:11, 11 June 2015 (UTC)


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