Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Roads/Assessment/A-Class review/M-28 (Michigan highway)

The following is an archived roads debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page, on WT:USRD, or another applicable discussion page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was promote to A-Class (open 7 days with 5 supports/4 net supports) —Scott5114 ↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 21:29, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

M-28 (Michigan highway)

Suggestion: Promote to A-Class

Nominator's comments: I think this should go through ACR before FAC

Nominated by: Imzadi1979 (talk) 04:59, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support. I see no issues. —Scott5114 ↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 17:34, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support and Comment. I am the GA reviewer. It looks good to me, and looked that way after my comments regarding GAN, but note that FA is not likely to treat michiganhighways.org as a good enough source. —Rob (talk) 18:29, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm slowing going through and replacing those sources with other references. After the ACR, the plan is to FOIA whatever I can't replace otherwise. It's a slow process I plan to complete before FAC. Imzadi1979 (talk) 01:34, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support. I've peer reviewed this article with the nominator twice. This article deserves A, probably USRD's 5th FA. Anyway, I have no probs.^Mitch 32 ^contribs 00:14, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Skimming the first paragraph of this article is not giving me a good impression. There are more problems, though.
- What I had just said. Summarise more.

I think I expanded the lead appropriately, but I welcome further suggestions.

Done?

- MDOT has highlighted five historic bridges along the route of M-28. In Interior Township, Ontonagon County. Done
- Does the image of the bar along M-28 add much context?

Bars are a big part of the culture in the UP of Michigan, and since M-28 is in the UP of MI, it has a lot of them along its route.

Commented out until a final decision on placement or complete removal is made.

Done

- Formed 1939 or 1948 sounds unsure. Done commented out for now.
- The entire highway is listed on the National Highway System, and three sections are part of the Lake Superior Circle Tour.—"three sections" is referring to the NHS here. Done
- The "Marquette Bypass" portion of M-28 is a four-lane expressway. while other segments are four lanes in Marquette County.—Wikipedia isn't a system of telegrams. Also same problem as above, though "other segments" refers to "four-lane expressway". Done
- Running north, M-28 passes Sunday Lake heading out of town. In southwestern Ontonagon County, the highway skirts the northern shore of Lake Gogebic, running concurrently with M-64. The highway contains its first portion along the Lake Superior Circle Tour from the western terminus until the eastern junction with M-64 in Bergland.—yet again. Done
- M-28 picks up the Circle Tour designation again for a second time.—redundancy Done
- The Seney National Wildlife Refuge is a managed wetland in Schoolcraft County in Michigan. Established in 1935[10], it has an area of 95,212 acres (385 km²).—Two problems, one of which is recurring. The ref needs to be placed after the punctuation mark. Done and second citation added for area.
- …across the Great Manistique Swamp. It was constructed parallel to the line of the Duluth, South Shore and Atlantic Railway (later the Soo Line Railroad) over the swamp.—the swamp was constructed parallel to the railway??? Done
- And many more problems. Please give this article a set of fresh eyes to do copyedits, as I am predicting many more grammatical errors like the ones I've spotted. 哦，是吗？(О кириллицей) 02:06, 19 March 2008 (GMT) Done?
Support After going through this article and getting the nominator to correct references and MOS erros im happy for this article to be given A-class. Seddon69 (talk) 17:45, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support After asking the nominator to fix a few things, this article is now well-deserving of A-class. A very good article. Juliancolton ^{The storm still blows...} 19:33, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Why are the refs stripped from the lead? I see material there that is likely to be challenged. 哦，是吗？(О кириллицей) 20:32, 19 March 2008 (GMT)

What in the lead is complex, current or controversial? All facts stated in the lead are repeated and expanded later in the article where the specifics are cited. Under WP:LEAD using citations in the lead is therefore redundant and unnecessary. Imzadi1979 (talk) 20:49, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Try again, buddy. I can challenge anything that has to do with history, at the very least. 哦，是吗？(О кириллицей) 21:29, 19 March 2008 (GMT)

The Circle Tour departs M-28 to follow M-123 at Newberry, looping north to the Tahquamenon Falls State Park, containing Tahquamenon Falls and Paradise.—Newberry loops north to the park? And the park contains Tahquamenon Falls and Paradise? Seriously, get a fresh copyeditor on this article; there are still way too many grammatical problems. 哦，是吗？(О кириллицей) 20:35, 19 March 2008 (GMT)

That sentence looks grammatically correct to me. This article is only up for A-Class, not Feature Article. Even so, at this time should the ACR be closed at the 7-day mark in twelve or so hours, it currently enjoys the necessary level of support to be passed. Imzadi1979 (talk) 20:49, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A-class means the article has to be very close to FA. This isn't close to FA. 哦，是吗？(О кириллицей) 21:27, 19 March 2008 (GMT)

The above is an archived roads debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page, on WT:USRD, or another applicable discussion page. No further edits should be made to this section.