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The following is an archived roads debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page, on WT:USRD, or another applicable discussion page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was promote to A-Class. Mitch32(UP) 00:28, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Washington State Route 531 (4 net support votes)

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Washington State Route 531 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) review

Suggestion: Promote to A-Class
Nominator's comments: I would like to renominate this article after the last review was held, the is article went under a copyedit from User:Finetooth and a peer review by User:Admrboltz.
Nominated by: ~~ ĈőмρǖтέŗĠύʎ890100 (t ↔ Ĕ ↔ ώ) 18:19, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments — My comments from the previous review are as follows, with corrected items struck.
    • There are misspelled words in the article. The word "highlighted" is misspelled in a caption.
    • There is an inconsistent application of date auto-formatting in the article.
    • While other articles use it, and {{infobox road}} supports it, the correct location for the commons cat is in the external links section. This was mentioned at the NY 32 FAC, and I've changed this usage on the M-35 and M-28 articles myself.
    • The I-5 photo does little to add to the article. In fact it should be removed since the article is about SR-531 and not I-5. I agree with CL about removing it from the article.
    • While not an MOS issue per se, but the Google Maps citations should be formatted using {{cite map}} and not {{cite web}} as they are maps.
    • The lead mentions that this is a "vital artery". This sounds like a point of view. This is also only mentioned in the lead and nowhere in the text of the article. I'd strike that description or find a source for that opinion and add that to the body of the article.
    • The route description prose could use a copy edit. While it does seem to accurately describe the routing, it reads as very dry to me, like the text just gives a turn by turn set of map directions. There's very little description of the terrain and the roadway's surroundings. A suggestion would be to add traffic count data for the roadway, maybe just mention where traffic counts peak and fall.
    • Another suggestion based on a personal preference of mine is to add a mini-lead summarizing the route description a little bit. I say this because you have the RD heading and then immediately after is a subheading. Maybe this would be a good location for some infomation about the highway as a whole before delving into specifics along the segments in the subheadings?
    • Per WP:MOSDATE, years alone should not be linked. 2006, 2007, 2009, and 2011 are all linked incorrectly in the history section. Also the word "of" is redundant and unnecessary under the MOS in "June of 2006".
  • New comments:
    • "At the intersection with 11th Avenue, SR 531 becomes the northern boundary of Lakewood High School, the only high school in the Lakewood area." This sentence reads funny to me. I know that the road itself isn't the edge of the building, but maybe that should be reworded to the northern boundary of the LHS complex/property? Maybe I'm just reading it wrong tonight?
    • The RD is still a little dry, but much better.

Imzadi1979 (talk) 00:45, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have fixed the sentence about Lakewood High School. It now reads "At the intersection with 11th Avenue, SR 531 becomes the northern boundary of Lakewood High School's campus, and Lakewood High School the only high school in the Lakewood area." I am going to have someone copyedit the RD sometime soon. I already added information of the surroundings, but I can't find the traffic data or a reference to back it up. There is no source from WSDOT that I could find. Also, who do you suggest I have to copyedit the article's RD? ~~ ĈőмρǖтέŗĠύʎ890100 (t ↔ Ĕ ↔ ώ) 01:34, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Articles reaching this caliber of quality are almost ready for Feature Article status. FAs should have "brilliant prose" according to the guidelines. Now my FACs I've had outsiders copyedit, but the idea is that to at this level of quality, the prose should be engaging and, frankly, this isn't quite there. It's pretty good, but a little polish just to keep it from sounding like a written set of map directions would be a good thing. It's almost there, so don't get discouraged. Imzadi1979 (talk) 02:32, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
User:Finetooth is on a wikibreak until Friday, but I have requested that User:RC-0722 copyedit the route description, because he is a former member of the Leauge of Copyeditors. ~~ ĈőмρǖтέŗĠύʎ890100 (t ↔ Ĕ ↔ ώ) 17:54, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I requested that User:Scott5114 copyedit the RD because RC-0722 recommended that I get another active editor to copyedit. ~~ ĈőмρǖтέŗĠύʎ890100 (t ↔ Ĕ ↔ ώ) 01:09, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The overlinking needs to be fixed. One other little nit-pick keeping me from supporting passage to A-Class at this time concerns the precision of length data. The infobox gives the length at 9.88 miles, but all references in the prose are 9.9 miles, except the milepost on the last line of the junction table. You should pick a length, and stick to it. Since the 9.88-mile figure is the one supported by references, you shouldn't round it off in the text. Imzadi1979 (talk) 02:35, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The fixes Dave and I applied remove my last issues with the article, so I Support at this time. Imzadi1979 (talk) 03:39, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support This is very close. IMO there is a bit of WP:overlinking, but not enough to merit an oppose vote. Some examples:

  • high school - This is linked after mentioning 3 high schools by name with links. If somebody didn't know what high school meant they most likely would have clicked on one of the high schools to find out before reaching this point in the article.
  • Weston High School is linked twice in the Route description section, only need to link once per major section.

Aside from that I think you're there. Congrats, I know you've worked hard on this article and taken some beatings =-) Dave (talk) 02:51, 20 August 2008 (UTC) Computerguy, I just noticed some things that are set apart with () that probably should use commas... If you want I can fix those. Dave (talk) 01:47, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Okay... ~~ ĈőмρǖтέŗĠύʎ890100 (t ↔ Ĕ ↔ ώ) Review me! 21:19, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I have made the above mentioned changes. This looks good to me. One question, the infobox claims that SR-531 is a spur of I-5. Is it really? I'm not familiar with washington, but the states I am familiar with don't do things that way. Dave (talk) 02:15, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Techinically, SR 531 is a child route of I-5. Usually in Washington, child routes take the first 2 numbers of their parent and add another number to form their designation. ~~ ĈőмρǖтέŗĠύʎ890100 (t ↔ Ĕ ↔ ώ) Review me! 16:25, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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