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Template:IRC channel[edit]

Is Template:IRC channel one of your templates? It has been nominated for deletion, and relies on the FreeNode IRC server -- 76.65.131.160 (talk) 06:05, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

  • I don't recognize this. I don't see a reason to keep this template. Does anyone else? Pine 06:32, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Why is public IRC considered private?[edit]

I've seen this statement made a number of times on Wikipedia, that anything said on the public IRC channels is to be considered private information. Why? It is a public IRC that anyone can be involved in and join. It is no different than posting on-wiki. The only difference is that the IRC is not an actual part of Wikipedia, but we are always allowed to link to, say, posts made on outside forums. It is all public. If it is a private IRC channel, that's different, but i'm talking about the public ones. Shouldn't the public IRC channels be considered the same as any off-wiki forum in terms of evidence (in that it is less substantial than on-wiki statements, but can be used to suggest a bias or an act of canvassing)? SilverserenC 10:02, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

It's also misleading to people using public WM-related IRC channels, that they're told that public logging is not permitted, but in reality the contents of the channels are routinely logged and then posted online, and no on-wiki sanctions follow against those who then post links to (or "ways to find") those logs, even in (for example) RfA discussions. It would be more honest to be blunt about it and admit that the channels are logged and that nothing is done about it. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 10:26, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
My view is that copying and repasting off of IRC may be a copyright violation. I too have wondered why people weren't penalized for this if they did a copypaste from IRC to wiki. But as far as public channels are concerned, people may privately log but not publicly log, for reasons which include keeping IPs confidential since IPs sometimes appear in the IRC windows. Unlike on Wikipedia, there are no revdel or oversight functions on IRC. On the subject of talking about something that happened in a public IRC channel goes, so long as it doesn't involve a copypaste or a privacy violation, I don't think that talking about it would be considered "public logging" or otherwise be forbidden. The main concerns are about user privacy and I personally also think it may be a copyright violation to do a copypaste from a channel where public logging isn't specifically allowed. --Pine 18:39, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
But linking to the routinely logged logs is perfectly fine then? Since linking to them isn't a copyright violation, as the recording of the logs is done by the IRC owners anyways. All of the stuff you said and the availability of linking to the recording of the logs should be clearly outlined in this page then, when it doesn't appear to be. SilverserenC 19:21, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
If other people are posting public logs then I would frown on posting links to them since those logs may contain IPs or other privacy sensitive information. I also think posting links to clearly copyvio material and/or public logs which are forbidden by IRC policy would be ethically questionable. --Pine 19:54, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
"the recording of the logs is done by the IRC owners anyways" - unless I'm misunderstanding what you mean here, no, that's not the case. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 20:23, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
Oh? Who is making the copies of the logs then? Isn't that a direct copyvio? SilverserenC 03:26, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
I think I misunderstood you when you said that they were routinely logged above. I thought that meant they were logged and recorded by the IRC site itself. SilverserenC 03:27, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
Where are IRC logs routinely posted? I think that is discouraged. I've seen it discouraged, and reverted, and revdel'd, in the past, but maybe that had more to do with user identity outing, than generic IRC log posting. Feel free to type "whoosh", but is it the case that the advisory wording should be "No public log posting?" --Lexein (talk) 23:42, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Yes[edit]

I'd like to chat but it says "The address wasn't understood". Da fuck? Pass a Method talk 03:48, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Chatroom policy?[edit]

Just a random light-hearted question. Isn't there a chatroom policy somewhere outlining the basic DO's and DONT's? Reason I ask this is because, even though we have a #wikimedia-social connect room, places like #wikipedia-en connect is always bloated up with personal chats of about 2 or 3 people, effectively shooing away anyone who comes in for a serious on-topic chat. Rehman 01:46, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Yes. It is listed in the channel's topic (at the top of the channel's window in your client, generally). It is found at meta:IRC/wikipedia/Guidelines. I generally visit wikipedia-en for a few hours a week and 75% or more of the time it has little to no discussion at all. Killiondude (talk) 21:08, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply. UTC+05:30, I see tons of "private matters or subjects unrelated to Wikipedia" being discussed, mostly in the mornings and evenings... Who or what's responsible for making sure that the guidelines are followed on those chatrooms? Kind regards, Rehman 02:11, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
#wikipedia-en should seriously be monitored... It's a mess. Any genuine post is quickly swamped by nonsense being discussed by two or three folks. Rehman 05:38, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
Agreed. One issue is the lack of active (active in their duties, that is) channel operators. Another issue that I've encountered is that users complain when action is taken because it rarely is, when it comes to extremely off-topic discussions and comments. Something for the "higher ups" of the channel to deal with, in some way. Rjd0060 (talk) 16:39, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

IRC needs more care to maintain anonymity than Wikipedia editing does[edit]

I just wanted to contribute to the topic of IRC anonymity and started creating an article about IRCCloud and to point to the referenced section: IRCCloud#Example where I mention how to join: #wikipedia-en-help unfortunately this article has been nominated for AfD: Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/IRCCloud please help improving this article, I'm sure this service is quite more useful than any other software-based IRC Clients, specially for beginnners in this field. So if the article will stay, maybe there is a way to mention this service in the beginning of this article, just lined up after the normal software clients, but I won't edit here anyway without any feedback of you guys. Thanks for your feedback! --Never stop exploring (talk) 06:39, 18 April 2015 (UTC)