Wikipedia talk:Protection policy

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Correcting the release date[edit]

Currently the release date on wikipedia is May 1st. According to the latest trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQVEC1YGLK4) it's April 23rd. Can we fix this?


Jpickar (talk) 21:39, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

@Jpickar: I don't know which release date you refer to, but I suspect that it is that of a film, music album or computer game. But please note that this is the talk page for discussing improvements to the page Wikipedia:Protection policy: please make your request at the talk page for the article concerned. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:46, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Proposal[edit]

I would like to add some wording that addresses the impropriety of adding page protection templates to pages that are not protected. While this does not happen often, it should be enforced by this policy (in my opinion). If anyone has any thoughts or suggestions for wording? Mkdwtalk 00:29, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

I find that it mainly happens in three situations. Most commonly, somebody has created a new article and has used an existing article for a related topic as an example of how it should be laid out. If you are a newbie, this is an "obvious" thing to do, particularly if your new article is one of a set or series, like a railway station, species of beetle or baseball player. It's better than simply guessing, but it doesn't actually tell you why a given method is used. When I come across pp icon templates on articles of this kind, there's always an infobox (it mostly happens with sports player biogs), and there are often some templates like {{use MDY dates}} or {{BLP sources}} with dates that are months or years earlier than the actual date that the article was created, so presumably they copy a big chunk from the existing article (changing names etc. where appropriate) and assume that all of the templates prior to the boldfaced text in the lead are necessary components of the infobox.
Then there are the ones where the pp icon template isn't on the article itself, instead it's in a transcluded template (one that is protected) but is not wrapped in <noinclude>...</noinclude>. It's not often necessary to add a pp icon template to a protected template, since many templates have either {{documentation}} or {{collapsible option}}, both of which will display a pp icon when appropriate. I left a note about this at WT:TW but it was archived w/o response.
Somewhat less common are the situations where somebody assumes that the pp icon template actually confers protection. When I have removed these I occasionally (less than 1% of the time) have been reverted by somebody who doesn't understand. In one case earlier this year, the protection had expired a week or so earlier but had not been removed by a bot; after I removed it manually (with edit summary like "prot expired 23:59, 31 January 2015" or whatever the date was), I was reverted with a comment like "this article still needs to be protected". --Redrose64 (talk) 08:52, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
I agree that this fact is a good thing to note; that being said, the people who think the {{pp}} template actually confers protection are probably not reading this policy page — if they did, they'd read farly quickly that only sysops can protect pages. So the ideal solution to this issue probably includes some sort of other notice on the edit page or with the template as well. –GlottalFricative (talk) 11:39, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Edit request[edit]

The "blocked users" section still links to the old toolserver (i.e., toolserver.org). It should be updated to point to the new toolserver — preferably, to the unblock tool at the new toolserver, although I don't know the specific URL for that one. –GlottalFricative (talk) 02:44, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Yellow check.svg Partly done: just commented the link. Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 14:41, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks! However, it looks like you also removed one of the brackets on the wikilink to WP:BASC. (Oh, and I also found the correct link to UTRS: it's now just WP:UTRS.) –GlottalFricative (talk) 15:04, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done - fixed the brackets and changed the link to WP:UTRS. Alakzi (talk) 15:10, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Enabling full protection on semi-protected articles[edit]

Whenever full protection is used and then expires, the article is no longer semi-protected. Instead, it is unprotected and prone to attacks. Re-enabling semi-protection requires a request, which is bothersome. How do we resolve this issue? --George Ho (talk) 01:00, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

@George Ho: This has come up before, see Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 136#Page protection - reverting to previous protection when a higher form expires and phab:T41038. --Redrose64 (talk) 08:23, 18 June 2015 (UTC)