Wikipedia talk:Requests for mediation/Duchy of Pless

Expand the scope?

I suggest that all of the 19-odd Duchies of Silesia be included in this effort here. There have already been several naming disputes, while most articles have not been discussed yet. -- Matthead DisOuß 21:58, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That is another topic, which may require a separate Mediation. This article has been through WP:RM and a decision was reached; I see no evidence that WP:RM cannot deal with the others. My complaints here are of removals of substantive and sourced assertions; the silly campaign to give the name Duchy of Pszczyna equal weight to the name used by all English sources printed outside Poland is a relatively minor irritant, in which Poeticbent is not involved. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 06:01, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I will say one thing regarding the removal of the name: PoeticBent is giving Pszczyna undue weight. Pless is far more common when discussing this duchy and PoeticBent knows that. Maybe he should sign on to the mediation? Charles 20:48, 15 January 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Poeticbent (talk • contribs) [reply]

WP:AGF

I have known both Pmanderson and Poeticbent for many months, if not years. They are productive, good editors. Guys, please try to WP:AGF and be WP:COOL. Step back, assume that the other guy wants to help, shake hands and collaborate. Please? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 21:11, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I know Pmanderson to be a good and productive editor, whether I have disagreed with him or not, but I do not share the same opinion about the other editor. Before anyone can attempt collaboration, I think PoeticBent needs to participate in the mediation in which he has been asked to participate, if anything to prove us wrong because frankly it doesn't look so good. Charles 21:35, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

False accusations of Copyright violation make it very difficult to assume good faith. As for these cries of POV, what POV? Ask Matthead; look at Talk:Wilhelmstrasse to see whether I am a Member of the Great German Conspiracy.

But I am perfectly willing to extend a hand, provided I can work on the article. I happen to have access, some of it temporary, to sources on nineteenth century Pless, and found some interesting stuff. It belongs in Duchy of Pless, whether the subjects are Polish or German or English. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 21:49, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mediation

Hello, I'm Shell Kinney (feel free to call me Shell) and I'll be trying to mediate this case, unless anyone objects (if so, please indicate this below). You might want to watchlist this page, if you haven't already, to keep up with ongoing discussion.

I know that some commentary was originally added to the mediation request page, but could you please both summarize your views on including the paragraph in question? Thank you. Shell ^babelfish 00:56, 25 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am satisfied with the present text of the article, which includes the information at issue. It may be just as well to invite Molobo to join this process, although the article seems to have been stable for 24 hours, as a reserve to discuss any more flareups of nationalism. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 04:30, 25 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The article has gone through a profound transformation since this request was filled. The copyright issues have been acknowledged (one way or another) with contentious paragraphs replaced by User:Pmanderson with more less GDFL compatible language. I’ve pretty much washed my hands off the whole thing, disgusted with the amount of abuse from the two committed edit warriors [1] [2] with an old grudge.[3] My only request at this point is that the name of the Duchy of Pszczyna be bolded as an alternative name equal to that of the Duchy of Pless, since it is, as it has always been supported by scholarly sources written in the English language. --Poeticbent talk 18:08, 25 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The "copyright issues" were, and remain, falsehoods; and continue to suggest that Charles is correct that this argument is conducted in bad faith. I don't care, however, which equivalent phrasing is used for the same facts. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 16:10, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Having "Duchy of Pszczyna" equal to Duchy of Pless gives the name undue weight and may be motivated by bias. "Pszczyna" is seldom used to describe the duchy in English sources. I would advise PoeticBent to act in a more civil manner, especially when referring to abusive behaviour, and check the bias at the door and also to provide evidence that "Duchy of Pszczyna" is close, rather than distant, second to Duchy of Pless in all forms of that usage. Charles 19:45, 25 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
At this point, given the original issues were solved I don't think mediation is going to be able to heal the wounds that were caused by careless words. Thank you both for your patience. Shell ^babelfish 17:53, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]