Wikipedia talk:Today's featured article/August 5, 2023
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[edit]@Gog the Mild: thank you for drafting the blurb. My concern is that the blurb does not make it clear that the concept of nobility widened from the 13th century because it suggests that the highest ranking royal officials were regarded nobles. I woul also mention either the Golden Bull or the Tripartitum because they summarized noble privileges. Borsoka (talk) 02:58, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
- Hi Borsoka, I am afraid that that is my lack of specialist knowledge showing. Feel absolutely free to amend it, but remember that there is a hard limit of 1,025 characters including spaces. Gog the Mild (talk) 15:04, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
- @Gog the Mild: what about the following version?
- The Hungarian nobility were initially a diverse body of people, but from the late 12th century only high-ranking royal officials were regarded as noble. Most claimed ancestry from chieftains of the period preceding the establishment of the kingdom around the year 1000, or were descended from western European knights who settled in Hungary. A wider group of landowners was associated with the nobility after the Golden Bull of 1222 summarized their privileges. Only those who owned lands free of obligations were regarded as true noblemen. Other groups, known as conditional nobles, also existed.
Under customary law, only males inherited noble estates. The poorest nobles lost their tax exemption from the mid–16th century.The ennoblement of whole groups was not unusual in the 17th century. A group of 10,000 hajdúk received nobility in 1605. After the Diet was divided into two chambers in 1608, noblemen with a hereditary title had a seat in the upper house. Reformist noblemen demanded the abolition of noble privileges from the 1790s. Noble titles were only abolished in 1947, after Hungary was proclaimed a republic. (Full article...)
- The Hungarian nobility were initially a diverse body of people, but from the late 12th century only high-ranking royal officials were regarded as noble. Most claimed ancestry from chieftains of the period preceding the establishment of the kingdom around the year 1000, or were descended from western European knights who settled in Hungary. A wider group of landowners was associated with the nobility after the Golden Bull of 1222 summarized their privileges. Only those who owned lands free of obligations were regarded as true noblemen. Other groups, known as conditional nobles, also existed.
- I think the Golden Bull of 1222 should be mentioned in the blurb, and the reference to customary law is misleading without mentioning the royal preropative of prefection. The suggested text is within the limit of 1,025 characters including spaces. Borsoka (talk) 03:37, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
- @Gog the Mild: what about the following version?