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  • 15 days ago: 10:41, 16 April 2024 (UTC) (Purge)
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Modern era has risen out of the ashes. Noting this discussion when it was merged into two articles, do we want to reverse that change? I personally think the history section seems pretty sweet as it is but thought I'd let you guys know. J947edits 02:15, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

FYI, almost no one tracks this page. Its recommended to raise changes regarding VT1, VT2 and VT3 at Wikipedia talk:Vital articles. I would support it, two articles is excessive to cover modern history. The Blue Rider 23:54, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
In such case, VT1 and VT2 talk pages should probably redirect to VT3 to avoid confusion. Kammerer55 (talk) 07:38, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Articles aren't listed at higher levels unless they are also listed at lower levels. Until this article gets listed at Level 4 and 3, it's not eligible to be listed at Level 2. Rreagan007 (talk) 18:38, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It was presumably removed from those levels when it was split and removed from here. {{u|Sdkb}}talk 00:11, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Modern history was removed from all levels when it was turned into a redirect because as a rule we do not list redirects, we only list articles. Modern era has never been listed. Rreagan007 (talk) 17:29, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Religion is society, not philosophy[edit]

Religion does not cease to be society in the same way that Carl Jung in psychology was not secular. 2804:14C:5BB1:9473:DA5F:6D5:B57F:E92A (talk) 18:24, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Remove Oceania[edit]

Oceania contains less than 1% of the world's population in a similar way that we don't list Antarctica at this level. It also doesn't have a long, interesting history compared to the other five continents we list. Not sure what to swap it with, but maybe Continent would be a good option. Interstellarity (talk) 11:05, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 11:05, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I’d rather have a country here. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 14:15, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Strong oppose The most basic subdivisions of Earth's inhabited landmasses should be included at this level. We should have some coverage of the Pacific Ocean on this level as well, and including Oceania is a way of doing that. Oceania is one of the first places on Earth where agriculture was developed, the site of one of the most spectacular examples of early human migrations, and ground zero for climate change – no well-educated person should be ignorant of Oceanian history. If you want to remove a place that has no history of human habitation, remove Moon. Cobblet (talk) 15:08, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. pbp 16:19, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Oppose Important in human and physical geography. --Thi (talk) 18:35, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Oppose per Cobblet's reasons, it's important --EleniXDDTalk 09:38, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Oppose per above. Every pocket encyclopedia with a limited number of articles in their geography section has articles and information on every inhabited continent, including Oceania. Gizza (talk) 00:09, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discussion

Add Film  3[edit]

I know it's a fairly recent industry, but Computer  2 is V2 and we're trying to promote Climate change  3. There's also no strong consensus over whether to keep its history at V3 (currently 3-4), and having the history of a topic at the same level as said topic is often frowned upon. I'll oppose for now. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 22:12, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
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  1. As nom. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 22:12, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discussion