Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Ty Cobb (2)

Reason: High resolution and quality image that clearly displays the triple, featuring one of the all time greats at achieving the triple. This is like a photo of Ruth, Aaron, or Bonds hitting a home run, a great doing what he's great at. The previous nomination fell flat due to EV issues, but in discussing this with Durova I pointed out that this isn't a great pure-EV image for just Cobb (although it is valuable in displaying his massive baserunning prowess and speed, it is not a portait) it also displays the triple itself.
Articles this image appears in: Ty Cobb, Triple (baseball), Slide (baseball)
Creator: National Photo Company, edited by Durova

Support as nominator --Staxringold _talk^contribs 20:22, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note, previous nomination is here.
Support per nom. Staxringold found additional encyclopedic use for the image. Durova³⁰⁶ 20:29, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Not particularly convinced EV has been improved. As the previous nom noted this looks like it's taken at practice. If so then any claim that he's making a triple is surely rather hollow? And regardless this is one of those things that's going to be really hard to capture. What we actually see is him making third base, anything beyond that has to just come down to the photographer's word or speculation, and the LOC image page says "Title from unverified data...", so that's not all that convincing. --jjron (talk) 03:00, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This was discussed extensively at the talk page. Given that on the day and in the city for this photo Cobb had a triple, it seems quite real. Plus it displays the full EV either way. Staxringold _talk^contribs 03:19, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting discussion but inconclusive - one knowledgeable editor suggested it was the triple, another that "So as far as we know, it's Cobb stealing third...", and the weight of discussion seemed to feel it was a practice or staged shot (not just due to the empty stands, but due to the stance of the left fielder), though no one was really committed. --jjron (talk) 06:55, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Even if that was true, what exactly would it detract from the EV? Staxringold _talk^contribs 07:26, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The main reason given for the renom was that EV was now better because it's illustrating a triple. Well surely if it's not doing this (and at best it seems we're unsure) the reasoning given and the EV isn't that strong? Only after voters are sure about that should they then be evaluating whether it's an FP quality illustration of a triple. --jjron (talk) 08:01, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe a happier and higher EV home for this could be Slide (baseball)? Ty Cobb actually already gets a mention in that article. --jjron (talk) 08:04, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Actually looked at that article pre-nom, but it's already image-laden. Staxringold _talk^contribs 08:08, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Is this not superior to some of the current images? I wonder also if this wouldn't benefit from a bit of a crop to focus more on the play - frankly that sky's not doing much for it. --jjron (talk) 08:13, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Added. And give a crop a try if you want. Staxringold _talk^contribs 08:29, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I was also very suspicious about it being a genuine triple. It just doesn't look like a legitimate game situation, and as mentioned, it doesn't really illustrate a triple at all. It may have been a triple, but it just doesn't illustrate it. The only thing that properly does illustrate it is a video of the entire event from the moment of the pitch onwards, or a diagram. But as far as EV on slide goes, I think it's a pretty good historical example, and IMO the only article that it illustrates significantly enough. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 17:06, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Edit1 added. --jjron (talk) 14:18, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support Edit1 or consensus version now it's in slide per above discussion. Incidentally I touched up the article a bit as well. --jjron (talk) 14:25, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I kinda like that crop... I guess I support either one really. Nice clean-up on the article, too. Staxringold _talk^contribs 14:31, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support crop. Great photo. Nice restoration. Good EV. Meets all the criteria. Kaldari (talk) 15:08, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support crop based on the EV in the Slide (baseball) article only. Would probably withdraw support if it were not kept in the article but will support for now. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 17:06, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
~~Conditional~~ support crop if the caption is altered to make it clear this is baseball-related to someone who isn't familiar with the terminology. Perhaps something like "Ty Cobb, the baseballer second all time in career triples, ...". Time3000 (talk) 14:58, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's only included at baseball articles, which caption would you like changed? Staxringold _talk^contribs 15:06, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I was thinking of the caption on this page, since it's used (I think?) in the POTD text. Time3000 (talk) 17:33, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't matter really - Howcheng does a sterling job rewriting the captions for POTD anyway, he doesn't just use what's here, he ensures it makes sense to a general reader. --jjron (talk) 08:35, 31 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Either way it's there now, so mine's definitely a support. Time3000 (talk) 14:33, 31 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support crop per above. Ks0stm ^(T•C) 20:47, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Strongly Oppose Both Really? Okay, first off, it dosen't show a triple, second, it dosen't identify the players, third off, the picture is blurry. If you want to highlight Ty Cobb, get a shot that clearly is of Cobb. As for the triple and the slide, there are a multitude of better pictures. Nezzadar (talk) 20:01, 1 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Whether it's an in-game or practice triple it's a triple, and it's a perfect shot of a slide. How exactly else do you propose displaying a triple? As for Cobb, the EV is not as a portrait (for which this image would be less useful, as you say), but for displaying his baserunning ability. That's a minor part of the EV in this new FPC anyways, that's the whole difference from the original. Staxringold _talk^contribs 21:06, 1 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:Ty Cobb sliding2-edit1.jpg --Makeemlighter (talk) 14:03, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]