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Higher education pages by quality Quality Total FA 45 FL 58 FM 17 A 1 GA 224 B 1,203 C 4,151 Start 16,990 Stub 15,877 List 1,723 Category 28,205 Disambig 130 File 5,246 Project 48 Template 1,952 NA 2,040 Assessed 77,910 Unassessed 2,165 Total 80,075 WikiWork factors (?) ω = 200,880 Ω = 5.22
Things To Do
Work on articles that need cleanup. Create a page for every university and college and add {{infobox University}} for it. See the missing list for those institutions still awaiting articles. Place {{WikiProject Higher education}} on every related talk page. Combat boosterism wherever it appears Ensure all articles, including Featured articles, are consistent with the article guidelines.

FAR for Duke University

I have nominated Duke University for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 06:31, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Let's hope we can avoid another delist. Our featured content is not trending in a good direction... {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 06:31, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Discussion about Controversy section in James Cook University

I have posted a discussion about a controversy section content on the article for Talk:James Cook University#Controversy section proposals June 2021 I think members of this project might be very interested in this discussion of proposed changes. These matters concern topics that I think may be too controversial for the ‘Request Edit” noticeboard, which is only for straightforward requests. I want to disclose that I have a conflict of interest because I work for James Cook University. Thanks Mrssquiggle (talk) 00:20, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

Texas Tech University Featured article review

I have nominated Texas Tech University for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. FemkeMilene (talk) 08:01, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Assuming that this ends up getting delisted, that'll leave us with only five remaining FAs for full institutions (as opposed to subpages). All in the United States. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 08:40, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Linking WP:UNIGUIDE from our talk banner?

What would you all think of adding a quick link to WP:UNIGUIDE from Template:WikiProject Higher education? It's a great resource we've developed that should be relevant to any page we've tagged, and I think putting it in the banner would help more editors who could use it find it. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 08:15, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea to me. Robminchin (talk) 04:50, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Sandbox at Special:Permalink/1031189004. I'll implement in a day or two if there appears to be consensus. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 07:47, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Implemented. I'll try to remember to check in a week or few to see if it has much impact on the number of views UNIGUIDE gets. If it doesn't move the needle much, we could consider bolding the link. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 22:07, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Athletics and traditions as subsections?

One thing I've seen on many pages is for traditions and athletics to have their own level-2 section. Sometimes this is the result of cruft, but in any case, these things are aspects of an institution's student life, so with rare exceptions, I think they ought to be level-3 subsections of the level-2 student life section. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 08:18, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

I truly hate it but intercollegiate athletics at many U.S. institutions, particularly NCAA Division I institutions, is so prominent (massive budget, large staff, ridiculously high public profile and public interest, etc.) that it warrants its own section. I don't know if it's better for us to strive for consistency and keep this as a section for all U.S. colleges and universities or if we should distinguish between institutions that place more or less prominence on athletics (NCAA Division I and II gets a section and everyone else gets a subsection?) and structure the article accordingly. I like the idea of consistency as it makes things easier for both editors and readers. But I would also have sympathy for an argument that article layout and structure should, to some degree, reflect differences between institutions as that is a great way to make those differences apparent to readers. ElKevbo (talk) 21:16, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

That's fair. At least within the U.S. context, the NCAA divisions give us a very helpful dividing line. I'd be fine with a WP:UNIGUIDE note that generally Division III should be a subsection and Division I should be a section. I'm not familiar enough with Division II to know whether it's more similar to I or to III; what's your view on that? {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 23:39, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Is Ashland University a Christian university?

There is a dispute among editors of Ashland University about whether the lede sentence should label the university as "Christian." There is a relevant discussion open in Talk; additional opinions and suggestions are welcome!

(For what it's worth, this general topic of labeling institutions as <adjective for a specific religion> (e.g., Christian, Baptist, Jesuit) has been on my mind for a few years now because we are inconsistent in our practices. It's often an easy decision to make when the institution makes a very clear claim to such a label and other sources follow suit. It's much more difficult when an institution claims that there is nuance e.g., the institution is "sponsored" by a religion or religious organization, the institution claims that it only has a special relationship with a specific religion. This specific example is a very good one as it has some common elements of these decisions. But it's worth holding a broader discussion on this topic so we can establish some clear guidelines and examples for those of us who edit in this space.) ElKevbo (talk) 21:24, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

That's a good question to raise. I'd say that we should first look to what RSes say. Given that these labels are the sort of thing typically brought up in the first sentence when introducing an institution, sources should hopefully be available for most institutions. When that's not enough to determine the wording we should use, I'd say it's okay to give some amount of weight to what an institution says about itself. When there's a clear religious connection but it's not formal, the phrase "de facto" can be very useful. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 21:11, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

There is a bit of a challenge in that many journalists appear to be content to copy or follow an institution's self-description without any critical analysis or context; I suspect this is even more common for local journalists or those who don't specialize in education particularly higher education. So we need to be a little bit wary there. ElKevbo (talk) 17:37, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

Globalize First-generation college students in the United States?

I just searched for if we had any coverage of first-generation students to wikilink, as it's an unfamiliar term. It took a bit of searching as it had no redirects and wasn't linked from the first generation dab page, but I eventually found it at First-generation college students in the United States, and it seems to have Educational interventions for first-generation students as a companion article. Is the idea of first-generation students something that exists outside of the United States? If so, the article may need to be globalized. If not, "in the United States" is probably an unnecessary disambigufier in the title. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 20:33, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

Oh, and there's also Blue-collar scholar. This area is ripe for cleanup if anyone wants to take it on. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 20:37, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

University of California, Riverside Featured article review

I have nominated University of California, Riverside for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. ~ HAL333 21:06, 3 July 2021 (UTC)