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This article was nominated for merging with Mick Philpott on 31 May 2012. The result of the discussion was no consensus.

On 9 August 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved from Allenton house fire to Derby house fire. The result of the discussion was Moved to 2012 Derby arson attack.

Merger proposal[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result of this discussion (at Talk:Mick Philpott) was no consensus - strong arguments a year ago to merge MP to AHF have been replaced with recent arguments for the opposite.

Moved to Talk:Mick Philpott pending any consensus, to avoid double posting. Suara Gondang (talk) 22:23, 2 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

As this us a separate article and content will need amending accordingly then there must be discussion here. As new information is being released after the judgement and sentencing of the three, the information is already looking dated. For instance the talk, probably promoted by Mick Philpott himself that he made valiant attempts to save his children should be balanced with comments by witnesses as seen on "Philpott House Fire: The Truth" channel 5, 2 April 2013 21:00 - 22:00, that on fact the opposite us true, he was seen to make no effort at all, therefore this article should be reviewed and updated in line with facts 92.40.253.206 (talk) 21:51, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not merge the article until consensus. Thanks.--BabbaQ (talk) 18:35, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

...and please discuss merger at Talk:Mick Philpott and not here. Widefox; talk 12:05, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Motive?[edit]

What was Philpott's motive? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.48.245.37 (talk) 15:51, 10 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 9 August 2021[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved to 2012 Derby arson attack. Per discussion consensus. (non-admin closure) — Shibbolethink ^(♔ ^♕) 19:37, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Allenton house fire → Derby house fire – Very few non-local sources refer to it as the Allenton house fire. The vast majority of non-locals haven't heard of Allenton. As the lead states, the house wasn't in Allenton. Therefore the current title is both incorrect & not the common name. Although this isn't the only house fire that has occurred in Derby, it's the only notable one. If disambiguation is needed, it should be at 2012 Derby house fire. Jim Michael (talk) 10:55, 9 August 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. No such user (talk) 11:52, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose proposed move to Derby house fire, although I am open to the idea of supporting a move away from Allenton house fire. It's too generic and potentially ambiguous to just refer to it as the "derby" house fire, even though it was a particularly notable one at the time. I would be more inclined to look at either 2012 Derby house fire as suggested or alternatively, Philpott house fire which makes it very specific and not ambiguous. Bungle ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:08, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as proposed. Support move to 2012 Derby arson attack. Most sources do indeed refer to it as being in Derby. Adding a year and renaming it narrows it down. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:48, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Each of us wants a different title, but we all want to remove Allenton. That's important because it didn't happen there & because it's not part of the common name, due to the different areas of Derby not being known to the vast majority of non-locals. Any of the titles suggested here are better than one which includes the incorrect Allenton. Jim Michael (talk) 07:34, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose as proposed. Support move to 2012 Derby arson attack only acceptable title. In ictu oculi (talk) 18:36, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'll agree to that title; my main aim is to remove the incorrect Allenton from the title. Jim Michael (talk) 14:36, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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