Talk:Castlevania (1999 video game)

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POV[edit]

Sorry, I should have put my reason for the NPOV tag before. Anyway, the second paragraph just bashes the game and praises IGA's LOI for correcting all of the CV64's flaws. Although LOI fixed some of CV64's problems, it also created several new ones (I will name them if you want me to).

"However, years later IGA set out to fix those problems and unleashes Castlevania: Lament of Innocence for the PS2 which improves everything that plagued this game, and even surpasses it in a lot of ways."

That sentence is all ones opinion and this article shouldn't be a comparison of the two 3D games. This article reads more like an IGA Castlevania fanboy review on GameFaqs. Maybe add a "Critisms" section and talk about the game's flaws and briefly mention how IGA took a different approach with the cameras in LOI. Buzda 10:36, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that this shouldn't be included. There's no source provided that shows Igarashi developed Lament of Innocence with the intention of addressing what he felt was wrong with the N64 games. (And even if he did, it belongs on the LoI page, not here.) Also, the whole part about "improves [...] surpasses [...]" is opinion and bias. It is enough to say that this game has been removed from the official timeline. Guermantes 15:24, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Someone removed all the inappropriate commentary. I've removed the NPOV tag, re-wrote the introduction (in part) and storyline removal information, and added some cited facts. Guermantes 05:03, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Historical Inaccuracies[edit]

"Another gripe among gamers is a historical inaccuracy involving skeleton enemies that appear in the game that ride on motorcycles and sidecars. Taking place in 1852, the motorcycle wasn't invented until 1885. Due to gamer's reaction, Konami responded that such a vehicle existed in the game was due to Dracula's magic. Interestingly enough, in Legacy of Darkness, Konami removed all motorcycle skeleton enemies from the game."

This is a common misconception with no validity. Dracula creating advanced technology that would later be used for evil is a theme in the game. For example: the motorcycles with mounted automatic rifles, the machines (lasers, etc.) in the tower of science, the gardner's chainsaw arm, the giant monsters being grown in tanks in the tower of science, the model of the zeppelin (also ahead of its time), and other blueprints of machines in a room in the castle center. It's not stated explicitly, it's implied, and pervades the game.

Historical inaccuracies abound in the Castlevania series. This purported information is incorrect and often used in an attempt to undermine the game's reputation. I find it hard to believe that Konami stated "that such a vehicle existed in the game was due to Dracula's magic." (Also, Konami did not remove the cycle skeletons from Legacy, that is a flatout falsehood.) But if you can find proof of the game's creators saying this go ahead and cite it. Guermantes 04:42, 11 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I can't really disagree with you, you brought up some good points. Although on LOD, all of the motorcycle skeletons seem to be removed from Reinhardt's quest. It's been so long since I've played the other character's quests, so those skeletons probably made it into at least one theirs. And as far as the Konami quote goes, I believe I read it on the Castlevania Dungeon, which I can't seem to find on there anymore. Awell, it really wouldn't make much a difference anyway. Buzda 21:15, 11 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Reinhart's quest was always short on motorcycle skeletons, he had Cerberus dogs instead of them in Castle Centre. LoD actually adds in an even more anachronistic skeleton World War 2 vintage BMW R75 bike-and-sidecar with a mounted machine gun. Herr Gruber (talk) 05:07, 17 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not that this really matters in this case, but the technology for the motorcycle existed as early as 1861 with the French invention of cranks and pedals, and then in 1868 with the L.G. Perreaux's patent of a steam-powered motorcycle engine. Anyway, like you all said, the game is set in 1852 and so the motorcycle is anachronistic. Also, when in the hedgemaze there is a zombie that chases you with the chainsaw (or maybe that's the second game?). In either case, I think the point might have been that Dracula's magic is powerful enough to conjure up such beings, even if they are from the future. --Brahman 02:56, 31 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think any mention of the historic accuracy of this game is valid at all--whatsoever. Like many video games, this one requires suspension of disbelief just to get past the opening scene. Vampires and magic are not historically accurate either. This article needs to boil things down to bare facts and leave the interpretation for internet message boards. 68.102.77.56 (talk) 21:47, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I know this is just original research but my impression was that Dracula was a major inventor and chronologically, would be -responsible- for releasing the motorcycle and zepplin and all those other scientific whatevers onto the market. I wonder if this was the intention of the writers? Lots42 (talk) 03:10, 23 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
But on second thought...just because a game has magic in it doesn't invalidate any -noteable- screwups. Or any screwups period. Food for thought. Lots42 (talk) 03:12, 23 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Clock Towers in most of the series? Most clocks didn't appear until the 18th century (though more primitive ones did exist earlier). Juste had a radio in Harmony of Dissonence... Electric chair in Curse of Darkness? :P... The technology involved to create and used by frankenstein through various games in the series? This entire series is known for anachronistic technology.66.8.254.133 (talk) 09:15, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Title translation from Japanese[edit]

We take it for granted that the title is Demon Castle Dracula Apocalypse. However, "黙示録" can also be translated as "Revelations" (also a name for a section of the bible) instead of "Apocalypse". This scan, in the lower left hand corner refers, to "The Revelation of Dracula." Could this simply be a reference to Gilles de Rais being the fake Dracula, or could it could contain the proper English translation of "黙示録" for the game's title? Does anyone have anything to indicate (either way) how the title should be translated? I feel if other parts of this guide (or some other source) can tell us, we should correct the name. Guermantes 00:27, 21 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Parargraph removed from Critical Reception[edit]

Many negative impressions of the game seem to come from people who only played Castlevania in part. The first level, the Forest of Silence, is by far the blandest level due to a colorless environ with poor textures. However, Castlevania improves dramatically in both graphics and level design as players progress. Although the game cannot compare with first and second party titles for the Nintendo 64, Castlevania holds its own alongside third-party titles, and is known for its moody ambiance and compelling characters.

The fact is that this paragraph just isn't written from a neutral point of view. We can't have it in the article because every sentence expresses the opinion of the author: The first sentence is baseless conjecture and the second, third, and fourth are opinions. This text belongs in a review of the game, not an encyclopedia article. Guermantes 01:58, 11 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]


And yet this is allowed in:

"The game has been criticized for having first generation graphics, a problematic camera, and a steep learning curve for controls"

That's just a negative opinion presented in a passive viewpoint. I'm adding back the response paragraph, in a more passive voice - hopefully this will pass your 'non-opinion' test.

Why no signature on the comment above this line? 68.102.77.56 (talk) 21:33, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

For the record, the game truly did have first generation graphics, a problematic camera, and a (fairly) steep learning curve for controls. Then again, it was a first generation title; developed and released in a world with very little precedent for 3-D platforming games. This article might be better off by stating the bare facts. The tug of war between fans of Symphony of the Night and this title is never going to end. I'm tired of watching it play out here. 68.102.77.56 (talk) 21:33, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Release Date[edit]

The game was released on May 14, 1999 in Europe according to GameFAQs, so I updated the information a bit. --Brahman 02:50, 31 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Food for thought[edit]

Wikipedia is not a game guide. Do we really need all the details saying 'Press C-Left for Something' and 'Press Up for something' and so on? I say no. Lots42 (talk) 14:43, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Removed mention of Screwattack.com[edit]

Removed the line: "ScrewAttack.com made a "Top 10 Worst 2D to 3D Games" in which Castlevania was #1."

Screwattack.com does not represent a credible source. Any two guys can start a website and publish top ten lists. As far as I can tell, this list was based solely upon two people's opinions. This list is representative of an editorial website.

Other publications (such as IGN and Electronic Gaming Monthly) have published lists of top games at different times--in the past. But, these lists were the product of multiple editors--working together--that write about games (for a living) in a legitimate journalistic setting. If you can find a credible list of "worst games" from a reliable source, go ahead and cite it.

The amount of possible "worst 2-D to 3-D game" lists is astounding--considering the amount of people in the world that have played games in the genre. I don't see what sets this one apart from the rest. 98.164.5.135 (talk) 21:37, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

3D Dracula redirects here[edit]

I was looking for the movie Dracula 3D directed by Dario Argento (its in his filmography) but it keeps bringing me to this page. Help ? Dylan (talk) 20:55, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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