Talk:Aleen Aked

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Notability tag[edit]

I added the notability tag because, by my reading of WP:NARTIST this article at present does not show that the subject is notable. A person can have a successful career as an artist and be quite respected, but still not qualify as notable.

This is a new article and I'm not suggesting that it be taken to AfD. I would just like to see the case for notability made more explicitly, according to the requirements:

The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by peers or successors.
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The person is known for originating a significant new concept, theory, or technique.
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The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of an independent and notable work (for example, a book, film, or television series, but usually not a single episode of a television series) or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews.
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The person's work (or works) either (a) has become a significant monument, (b) has been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) has won significant critical attention, or (d) is represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums.
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b) has exhibited - was it a "significant exhibition"?

c) perhaps hinted at but nothing about it appears in the text of the article

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Notability has to have actual support in the text of the article, it's not something that a reader should have to infer or dig out of the references on their own. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:53, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Please see WP:BASIC and WP:GNG, and WP:BEFORE, and note that Notability is based on the existence of suitable sources, not on the state of sourcing in an article. A subject can be notable for other reasons than WP:NARTIST. Aked has biographical entries in several books, including:

Judith H. Bonner; Estill Curtis Pennington (2013). The New Encyclopedia of Southern Culture: Volume 21: Art and Architecture. University of North Carolina Press. pp. 206–207. ISBN 978-0-8078-6994-9.
Opitz, Glenn B. (1984). Dictionary of American Sculptors. Poughkeepsie, NY: Apollo. p. 5.
Who's who in American Art. R. R. Bowker. 1959.

Additional brief biographical information indicates she served as President of the Sarasota Art Association and that her work has been reviewed in at least one newspaper. It is likely that other news or magazine coverage can be found, if one is willing to look, as her work was exhibited in Canada, Florida, and New York. Sure Aked is no Georgia O'Keeffe, but I think it can be presumed that suitable sources can be found. --Animalparty! (talk) 07:47, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources may not be sufficient to establish notability.

I'm not convinced that short entries in Who's Who listings or similar collections amount to non-trivial coverage. As for WP:BEFORE, I'm in no way suggesting AfD at this point, I just want to see a decent discussion on the notability issue. I see no basis for applying something other than NARTIST in her case. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 08:51, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]