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Queen mimicking sex and maids hurling obscenities?![edit]

Here are numerous links to the electronic version of the book in question: http://www.archive.org/details/vedablackyajuss00keitgoog

Show me one sentence which proves the dubious claim!--70.64.16.48 (talk) 16:31, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

That translation is of the Black Yajur Veda. The White Yajur Veda is the one that contains bestiality.
Hokie Tech (talk) 00:57, 2 November 2010 (UTC)


The word AswaMeda is comprised of two parts Aswa and Meda, Rig Vedic sanskrit being different from the literal sanskrit, we need to look into "nighantu", "nirukta" and "Shatapatha Brahmana" to understand the meaning of the words (from their Root)used in the Vedas.

The word "medha" does not mean slaughter. It denotes an act done in accordance to the intellect and Aswa as per vedic glossary meas a "Nation" so an pious act done for the consolidation of a Nation is "AswaMedha"

Raashtram vaa ashwamedhah; Annam hi gau; Agnirvaa ashwah; Aajyam medhah (Shatapatha Brahmana 13.1.6.3)

A Yajna dedicated to the glory, well being and prosperity of the Rashtra the nation or empire is known as the Ashwamedh yajna.

“To keep the food pure or to keep the senses under control, or to make the food pure or to make a good use of the rays of Sun or keep the earth free from impurities[clean] is called Gomedha Yajna”.

“The word Gau also means the Earth and the yajna dedicated to keep the Earth the environment clean is called Gomedha Yajna”

“The cremation of the body of a dead person in accordance with the principles laid down in the Vedas is called Naramedha Yajna”. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KoulAnkur (talkcontribs) 07:05, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

This is completely unacceptable what is the source of this information? I dare anyone who has written this horrible lie about Ashwamedha yagna to prove or else remove this now!

here is the truth - The emperor seeks to check out if any of his vassal kings want to challenge his supreme authority— in public. The horse is guided by the Emperor’s generals and chosen ministers . They generals follow the white horse on their own horses. The horse with clanging bells is made to travel through the vassal kingdoms. Any vassal king can kill the horse and thus declare war on the Emperor, which will happen pretty soon. If he just captures the horse, there may be room for negotiation. The horse is even taken to enemy kingdoms, and there is “diplomatic immunity” for the Emperor’s men not the white horse. Any tough acting intentions are gauged out.

When the horse returns safe and sound, it means all is well-- and the emperor's supreme authority is unchallenged.

The question of queen coming into this doesn't arises and yet here i see a balant lie being propagated under the disguise of false propaganda.

Even the pictures are taken from Muslim texts? How can Sahibdin explain Ashwamedha?

Remove this article which is filled with lies,deceit and malicious intent immediately. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.118.170.238 (talk) 19:00, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Why would anyone lie? Just look at the original. Stop living in a childhood fantasy world. Paul B (talk) 21:54, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

What do you mean by original? who is the creator of original? if i stand from your point of view you will refer to a malicious misbegotten translated book the translator's intentions in question! show this in the actual text in Vedas or Upanishads do not take us to be fools we are well aware of this modus -operandi show this essence of ashwamedha yagna in Sanskrit text which means the exact if translated in english give me the exact hymn or shloka or passage or description. I'm not living in childhood fantasy infact you have taken it on yourself to discredit the very essence of performing Aswamedha yagna pray tell me why will an ashwamedha yagna be conducted in the first place? go ahead and get your facts right pappu! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.118.77.223 (talk) 18:37, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

All you have to do is look at a scholarly edition of the text, which you haven't. Infantile ranting about imginary "translations" just shows that you you have done no research at all. The passage is VSM 23.20–31. I've no idea what your question ("why will an ashwamedha yagna be conducted in the first place?") is supposed to mean. It's an assetion of political power, which is symbolically represented by the horse - an emblem of virility and dynamism. Paul B (talk) 22:58, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Suneeldurve (talk) 11:35, 2 April 2014 (UTC) suneeldurve@gmail.com, on 3rd April 2014

The description of the entire procedure is horrible beyond imagination. However I shall not question about its source. Most probably it could have emanated from the extremist cults like ′Haththyogi′ (हठयोगी प्रथा) practices or 'Patanjali'Yoga (पातंजली सूत्रे), or from similar practices. However it should be understood that such practices were frown upon by almost everybody in the past also, and were not openly admitted (hush hushed) by their supporters. These are akin to black magic voodoo in Africa or witchcraft of 16th or 17th century in Europe. The reasons some people went to profess these are same as for which reasons some Africans or some Europeans practiced such. People are same all over the world and such practices must have come at some time or other,in the past of entire humanity I suppose.

However it appears to me that Ashwamedha was meant to establish international relations for commerce and defense purposes by nations. Nations were small sized in those days and travelling for any purpose required crossing several boundaries. Since in those days, land travel was not possible and invariably involved using horses. Hence permitting a horse to come inside of a boundary of any nation (in Indian peninsula at least), must have been regarded as a notion of friendship, willingness for co-operation, while prohibiting it as indication of enmity. If we peruse the list of permitted items in customs department of any Nation,i.e. goods controls on borders, it will be observed that even today the first item listed happens to be "horse", followed by other livestock. As the items and varieties increased with technological developments, they were appended to these lists, so it appears that the first customs-controlled item was horse. The on going Yadnyas and Yagas appears to be a way to keep the masses engaged, just like the present day employment schemes of various Nations and various types, for example the Rojgar Hami Yojna (Guaranteed Employment scheme) in my country, India.Suneeldurve (talk) 11:35, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

The ashvamedha in the Ramayana[edit]

P. Chierichetti, The ashvamedha in the Ramayana: a way to re-establish the primordial unity of the sacrifice, in Il sacrificio alla base della costruzione dell'identità indiana: due studi specifici, a cura di Pietro Chierichetti e Alberto Pelissero, Edizioni dell'Orso, Alessandria, 2011, ISBN 9788862742795. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pch78 (talkcontribs) 13:05, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 January 2014[edit]

Bibliography

S. Fuchs, The Vedic Horse Sacrifice in its Culture-Historical Relations. Inter-India Publications: New Delhi, 1996.

P. Koskikallio, The horse sacrifice in the Patalakhanda of the Padmapurana,

P. Chierichetti, The ashvamedha in the Ramayana: a way to re-establish the primordial unity of the sacrifice, in Il sacrificio alla base della costruzione dell'identità indiana: due studi specifici, a cura di Pietro Chierichetti e Alberto Pelissero, Edizioni dell'Orso, Alessandria, 2011.

P.E. Dumont, L'asvamedha, description du sacrifice solennel du cheval dans le culte vedique d'après les textes du Yajurveda, Luovai, Paris 1927


Pietroch (talk) 20:18, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Added in Further reading section - may be challenged, and have no ISBNs - Arjayay (talk) 17:31, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 June 2014[edit]

A Contemporary view of Ashvamedha Yagna

Source:http://ajitvadakayil.blogspot.in/ So what is the truth about ASHWAMEDHA YAGNA?

The truth is the horse is NOT killed at all-- leave alone the queen having sexual intercourse with a dead horse's you know what..

A spirited horse is chosen , with white fur and no blemishes. A yagna ( Agnihotra homam ) is held BEFORE the horse sets out on a guided tour.

So why is the white horse on a guided tour? This is the essence of Ashwameda.

The emperor seeks to check out if any of his vassal kings want to challenge his supreme authority— in public.

The horse is guided by the Emperor’s generals and chosen ministers . They generals follow the white horse on their own horses.

The horse with clanging bells is made to travel through the vassal kingdoms. Any vassal king can kill the horse and thus declare war on the Emperor, which will happen pretty soon. If he just captures the horse, there may be room for negotiation.

The horse is even taken to enemy kingdoms, and there is “diplomatic immunity” for the Emperor’s men not the white horse.

Any tough acting intentions are gauged out.

When the horse returns safe and sound, it means all is well-- and the emperor's supreme authority is unchallenged. And all know it too.

In the POST Ashwamedha yagna all vassal kings are invited, and there are celebrations all around , for peace and prosperity in future. Soldiers go home to their families. Himu1978 (talk) 19:19, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Blogspot is not a reliable source, consider providing a summary and better source. OccultZone (TalkContributionsLog) 23:55, 28 June 2014 (UTC)