Talk:Execution of Benjamin Moloise

Poésie étrangère sur Moloise

Quel mot? Quel verbe? Quel poème écrire?

La parole se peint D'un rouge-martyre La parole s'éternise... --- Moloïse Ou Le poème éternel --- D'une froideur incroyable L'exécrable Botha Et d'autres Pieter ingrats Étranglèrent le Poète - La corde se perchait Quand la tête haute Cracha bas Sur des gueules ignobles - " A Mort ! " cria Le Pieter bas Et mille Botha S'acharnèrent à serrer - Un homme est mort Une larme a coulé... Mais le poème est là Éternellement vivant L'arme dans les âmes - Et de ce cœur brisé Que la mère porte Coule amère LE SANG DU COMBAT

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(Par Mustapha Benaïssa, "Entre joies et peines" pages 85-86, Édilivre, Paris, 2015 / www.edilivre.com/doc/726073 ) 41.99.251.241 (talk) 09:25, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Publié auparavant en 1996 par Mustapha Benaïssa, aux éditions Fennec, Algérie, sous le titre "Tribulations" Fisherold (talk) 09:37, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 19:29, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

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• ... that after Benjamin Moloise's execution, the Direct Action extremist group bombed two Paris companies linked to South Africa in protest? Source: "In Paris, an explosion ripped through the offices of two firms doing business with South Africa. The Direct Action terrorist group claimed responsibility for the bombing, calling it a protest of the hanging of Moloise. The blast extensively damaged the offices of the French airline UTA and the Chargeurs Reunis shipping company." (Chicago Tribune, 20 Oct 1985)
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5x expanded by Iamawesomeautomatic (talk). Self-nominated at 00:13, 29 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Execution of Benjamin Moloise; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: All in all, meets all of the requirements, save for the QPQ. Please ping me once that is resolved and I will have no problem passing this. JJonahJackalope (talk) 01:46, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

@JJonahJackalope: Hi, I think you may have commented on the wrong article. Iamawesomeautomatic (talk) 02:11, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

@Iamawesomeautomatic: Apologies, I copied that template from another source and must have forgotten to delete that bit. I've looked back through everything else and the review as it stands now should be accurate. -JJonahJackalope (talk) 02:32, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

@JJonahJackalope: Do I need to do a QPQ if this is only my second DYK nomination? Iamawesomeautomatic (talk) 18:16, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

@Iamawesomeautomatic: Sorry about that, you're fine! Just approved the hook, all should be good! -JJonahJackalope (talk) 18:33, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Vaticidalprophet (talk · contribs) 01:15, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Interesting one! First few quick points...

• As Moloise is deceased, it's permissible to use a fair-use image of him.
• Quotes should use logical quotation (punctuation outside quotation marks).
• During the trial, the prosecution alleged that Moloise's motivation for killing Selepe was driven by revenge -- this is overwritten, "was driven by" isn't necessary.

I find I have very few comments on prose, though I'll give another quick check later. Will check the sources soon. Vaticidalprophet 01:15, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

I've added a fair use image, one of the only ones I can find online. Photographs from South Africa become public domain 50 years after publication FYI. gobonobo ^{+ c} 20:59, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

@Gobonobo Thank you, but the picture you uploaded is actually of a man named Itumeleng Mosala. I have no idea how and why he has become the face of Benjamin Moloise according to Google. I found a photo, although much lower quality, of Moloise and uploaded it. Iamawesomeautomatic (talk) 22:17, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

@Iamawesomeautomatic Thank you for catching that. And for the upload. gobonobo ^{+ c} 22:27, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

Just working through now.

Lead and miscellaneous

• he would later retract the statement during his trial doesn't need 'would' ("he later retracted the statement during his trial"), nor does it need the link to 'trial'
• Section headers should be in sentence case.

Early life and background

• Is the source for the first paragraph correct? The page 1 screenshot doesn't mention it. Are these actually on page 2?
• I have a couple minor prose comments here (though will probably self-copyedit them if you're fine with that, to avoid writing out a long list of trivial points), but I'm mostly concerned about that sourcing query.

Vaticidalprophet 20:51, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

Yes. The first paragraph was on the second page. I just added it as a new reference, so the article should reflect this change now.

As a note, the Chicago Tribune mentions Moloise's mother's name as Mamike but most sources used Pauline, so I generally use Pauline.

Feel free to make any minor copyedits as you see fit. Also, tell me any problem you have with the sources. I'm used to citing books rather than newspapers so I'm not surprised I messed up already.

Iamawesomeautomatic (talk) 22:43, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

I wouldn't say you messed up -- GAN is a learning curve :) I'm finding I have very few comments throughout this article, so I'll finish the review up now with my last few ones and make some copyedits. Vaticidalprophet 03:24, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Trial

• Despite Jana's objections -- aren't people usually convicted of crimes despite the objections of their defense lawyer? That is, I'm not sure this is necessary rather than just going to "and then he was convicted". The paragraph already makes the problematic elements of that conviction clear.

Yeah, good point, I changed the sentence. Iamawesomeautomatic (talk) 04:13, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

United Nations resolution

• I think it would be better/clearer to explicitly name United Nations Security Council Resolution 547 in the article, rather than pipe it to "a resolution", which readers might misinterpret as linking to an article on resolutions more generally.

Done. Iamawesomeautomatic (talk) 04:12, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

• While not all nations shared equal enthusiasm for the proposal -- any specific examples?

The article didn't provide anything specific. Just that broad statement. Iamawesomeautomatic (talk) 04:12, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

• "Western" can be an ambiguous term, especially given only African nations are specified elsewhere (in particular, do we know of any comments from nations neither in the West nor in Africa?). In particular, if the nation of the quoted diplomat is specified in sources, that would be preferable to mention.

Nothing specific about the diplomats' countries of origin is mentioned on the New York Times article. Iamawesomeautomatic (talk) 04:12, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

• they'd be in meetings forever uses a contraction, which is best to avoid -- the direct quote from the source of "we would be meeting all the time" can be used in quotemarks and gets the tone across just as well.

Done. Iamawesomeautomatic (talk) 04:12, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Stay of execution

• Clearer to give P. W. Botha's full name in both the text and the caption, as he isn't previously mentioned. (His article also has his name with that spacing.)

Done. Iamawesomeautomatic (talk) 04:13, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

• Common throughout the article, but be careful about overlinking -- large countries usually don't need to be linked (though smaller ones can be helpful), nor do common terms.

Done, but I didn't know if I should keep the Soviet Union and West Germany articles linked because both countries doesn't exist anymore. Iamawesomeautomatic (talk) 04:13, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

I don't find I have comments on the later sections. This is a strong article for which most of the issues are stylistic rather than underlying, and I hope to promote it soon. Vaticidalprophet 03:34, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments @Vaticidalprophet. I couldn't adopt some of your recommendations due to the limited content of my sources, especially in the United Nations resolution section, but I'm looking forward to any solutions you come up with. Iamawesomeautomatic (talk) 04:29, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

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