Talk:Charlie Moore (basketball)

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Charlie Moore for the Miami Hurricanes

• ... that Charlie Moore (pictured) played basketball for four universities? Source: https://kdhnews.com/sports/college/miamis-moore-to-face-former-team-in-his-hometown-of-chicago/article_c07917b2-104c-5383-8277-88e33dfaec22.html
  • ALT1: ... that Charlie Moore (pictured) helped lead the Miami Hurricanes to their first NCAA tournament elite eight? Source: https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/recap?gameId=401408626

Moved to mainspace by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self-nominated at 10:50, 28 March 2022 (UTC).

• Reviewing: Template:Did you know nominations/When Jews Were Funny-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:24, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
• Reviewing Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:25, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

• Long enough, QPQ done. Don't really like ALT, but first hook is fine. No copyvio found. Good work. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:29, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

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Advice on potential inclusion of somewhat derogatory nickname

I see a couple of sources that refer to Charlie Moore (basketball) as "Suitcase Charlie" in reference to him playing basketball for 4 different colleges. One is one of his hometown newspapers. The other is an article printed in the Sports Illustrated domain space that does not seem to really be an SI article referring to the former reference. I don't see this nickname anywhere else but mirrors of these. Should it be in his biography?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:51, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Per MOS:BADNICK:

Nicknames and other aliases included must be frequently used by reliable sources in reference to the subject. For example, a sports journalist's one-off reference to a player as "the Atlanta panther" in purple prose does not constitute a nickname, and treating it as one is original research.

FanNation (purchased by SI) is what I consider as fan blog-like. If there aren't better sources than FanNation, it's probably not worth including.—Bagumba (talk) 06:03, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

No The hometown article does not imply it's a nickname currently in use for him; in fact, it implies the exact opposite, as the author is suggesting it be a nickname he is given. It's really more of a joke meant to make the point that he has moved from one college to the next so often. It might be mentioned in our article on him that "The Chicago Sun-Times nicknamed him/suggested he be nicknamed "Suitcase Charlie" [because he played for four different colleges, requiring a lot of moving around]". And that's IF we mention it in the article, which there is no pressing obligation to do. Since it's not actually a nickname anyone seems to use for him, it's not an alternative name for the subject of this article. His playing for so many different schools in his college career would have to be demonstrated by reliable sources to be notable in its own right (as humans it's only natural we consider such a circumstance to be extreme, but to say it is we must prove it is extreme), so rather than say "He is notable/unique in that he played for four different colleges" in the absence of a source saying so, we can just list each one in prose like we normally would (and would do anyway) and allow the reader to deduce that for him/herself. Zeke, the Mad Horrorist ^{(Speak quickly)} _{(Follow my trail)} 07:00, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

EXCLUDE - it could be seen as derogatory which, in a BLP, would require multiple high-quality RS and intext attribution. Atsme 💬 📧 15:54, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

No In addition to the points above, there just isn't enough coverage in sources to start with, it does not seem likely that even locals would use 'Suitcase Charlie.' Coolcactus04 (talk) 01:45, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

• No per above arguments. SportingFlyer T·C 23:46, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
• Not in lead, not as alternate name - Per above, but I do not expressly exclude the possibility of saying "The Chicago Sun-Times suggested he be nicknamed "Suitcase Charlie" because...". I think this is a reasonable inclusion. The article should absolutely never state that this is his nickname at any point, particularly not in wikivoice, but saying that the Chicago Sun-Times, specifically, wanted to give him the nickname (without saying that they successfully gave it to him, or that it caught on in any manner) should be fine, as it is a reliable and relevant source. This statement should not be given more than its due weight of course, by which I mean a single sentence at most. Keep in mind that I would also support and accept simply not including it at all, but I think it would be "ok" to include it. Fieari (talk) 06:16, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
• Bad RfC Question is neither brief nor neutral. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:46, 5 May 2022 (UTC)