Talk:Congress of the Confederation
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I propose that Congress of the Confederation be merged into Second Continental Congress. Despite repeated requests from various editors, no one could provide historical reasons for referring to the later years of the Second Continental Congress with the term "Congress of the Confederation." Editors have already cited sources that declare that neither the membership, nor the purpose, nor the structure, of the Second Continental Congress changed. More to the point, citations have been provided that prove that the governing body under question referred to itself as the "Contintental Congress," not as the "Congress of the Confederation." Where does this term, "Congress of the Confederation" come from? It seems that all of the cited sources -- including records of the congress itself -- indicate that the Continental Congress and "Congress of the Confederation" were one and the same, and that the term "Congress of the Confederation" seems more of a Wikipedia invention than one of any historical merit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 04:24, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
- I feel that Congress of the Confederation is listed separately to mean the Congress operating more permanently, as the national government of the entity United States under the Articles of Confederation. It's much like eras of national history, as well as events (here and here), are separated into historical periods as needed, divided by milestones. In this case, the ratification of the Articles as a permanent constitution is a milestone that could justify having a separate article.
- Maybe it could be renamed, like "United States in Congress Assembled" as mentioned below. —Abstractematics (talk) 07:03, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
“American Revolution” v. “American War of Independence”
First line of the Second Paragraph: "The Congress of the Confederation opened in the midst of the American Revolution." American Revolution links to the wikipedia article on the American Revolution. However there is also an article: American War of Independence. The former article discusses the political and philosphical angle of the American Revolution, while the latter focuses on the course of the war and the battles themselves. I suggest the link should instead be to the American War of Independence article. Mainly, because it appears it main point of the sentence is to emphasize that the Congress of the Confederation began during wartime. Any thoughts? --Chops79 00:49, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
"Congress of the Confederation" versus "2nd Continental Congress"
The official printed proceedings of this body  call it the "Continental Congress." The section covering 1788-1789 still calls it the "Continental Congress." . The Library of Congress site says "The First Continental Congress met from September 5 to October 26, 1774. The Second Continental Congress ran from May 10, 1775, to March 2, 1789." . What is the source for it being called the "Congress of the Confederation?" We usually go with the name something calls itself or the most commonly used name. Thanks. Edison 21:36, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
"Congress of the Confederation" versus "United States in Congress Assembled"
Originally just called congress, the colonies had passed 12 different resolutions naming the Philadelphia gathering and its membership in various different forms:
New Hampshire … General Congress; Massachusetts … meeting of Committees from the several Colonies; Rhode Island … general congress of representatives; Connecticut … Congress of commissioners; New York … Congress at Philadelphia; New Jersey … general Congress of deputies; Pennsylvania … Colony Committees; Maryland … General Congress of deputies from the Colonies; Virginia … General Congress; South Carolina … deputies to a general Congress; Delaware … general continental congress; North Carolina … general Congress.
It was Delaware’s term “Continental Congress” that was officially adopted on October 20, 1774 as the name primarily to distinguish this congress from the many congresses being held throughout the Colonies at that time. On that date the assembling colonies passed the Articles of Association that acknowledged the formation of a Continental Congress of September 5, 1774. This Association would ultimately declare its Independence from Great Britain on July 2, 1776. The Articles of Association began:
“We, his majesty's most loyal subjects, the delegates of the several colonies of New-Hampshire, Massachusetts-Bay, Rhode-Island, Connecticut, New-York, New-Jersey, Pennsylvania, the three lower counties of Newcastle, Kent and Sussex on Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North-Carolina, and South-Carolina, deputed to represent them in a continental Congress, held in the city of Philadelphia, on the 5th day of September, 1774”
This term was used until March 2, 1781, the day after the Articles of Confederation were adopted by the Continental Congress with Maryland, the 13th State's ratification the new constitutional body adopted the name ,United States in Congress Assembled, and it was placed at the head of new Journals (http://www.roi.us/Exhibit%20C.JPG). On that day the Continental Congress ceased to exist. No where could this author find an entry in the new Journals of the United States in Congress Assembled that the body referred to itself as the Continental Congress. The first US Constitution itself clearly names the governing body in Article II:
" Each state retains its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every power, jurisdiction, and right, which is not by this Confederation expressly delegated to the United States, in Congress assembled."
The documentation on this matter is summed up best in "STANLEY KLOS, Plaintiff, Appellant v. HENRY M. PAULSON, JR., in his capacity as Secretary of the Treasury, Defendant, Appellee" which can be found here - http://www.roi.us/complaint.htm. The "Congress of the Confederation" is not the name of the first US Constitutional Government and it should be immediately replaced with the proper name. — Preceding NatsSolk comment added by NatsSolk (talk • contribs) 02:29, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
- At the beginning of the given source it is apparent that Klos is a WP:Fringe opinion not supported by consensus TEDickey (talk) 10:02, 12 December 2011 (UTC)